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"here I am, at the end of the maze, telling people at the beginning how straight forward it is" is basically all I'm getting here - and you call my eval proble

"here I am, at the end of the maze, telling people at the beginning how straight forward it is" is basically all I'm getting here - and you call my eval problematic. Multiple accounts of people not in your position telling you a problem exists. Ok, great, you worked through it. Doesn't mean it's as good as it should be.

runarberg 6y ago
Well you come across as an outsider telling us that the tools that we use—and do a fine job with—are no good, and that our literature sucks. I am here to argue that this sort of attitude is problematic. If you browse through this thread you will find no shortage of comments describing how absolutely basic this article is (and a little void of insight, and a little out dated), and that there are people in the industry getting six figures while not knowing this stuff. Frankly it is a little insulting. And I think the attitude that you presented above is part of the problem. There definitely exists a lack of respect for the craft of front-end development within our industry. This sort of attitude is not helping.
- afarrell 6y ago
  > There definitely exists a lack of respect for the craft of front-end development within our industry. This sort of attitude is not helping. There is xenophobia involved in people's attitudes toward kebabs. It doesn't change the impact of phosphates on the human body. Here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42238363 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42238363 Your argument doesn't change the impact of poorly-encapsulated complexity on the brains and mental health of your fellow programmers. https://blog.codinghorror.com/programmers-and-chefs/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/programmers-and-chefs/ > Well you come across as an outsider telling us that the tools that we use—and do a fine job with—are no good, and that our literature sucks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle --------- Backend programming has this problem too. So does systems programming. The problem of unencapsulated complexity is core to the craft of software engineering. So is joining the fight against this problem. https://tonyarcieri.com/would-rust-have-prevented-heartbleed-another-look https://tonyarcieri.com/would-rust-have-prevented-heartbleed...

runarberg 6y ago

Well you come across as an outsider telling us that the tools that we use—and do a fine job with—are no good, and that our literature sucks. I am here to argue that this sort of attitude is problematic. If you browse through this thread you will find no shortage of comments describing how absolutely basic this article is (and a little void of insight, and a little out dated), and that there are people in the industry getting six figures while not knowing this stuff. Frankly it is a little insulting. And I think the attitude that you presented above is part of the problem. There definitely exists a lack of respect for the craft of front-end development within our industry. This sort of attitude is not helping.

afarrell 6y ago
> There definitely exists a lack of respect for the craft of front-end development within our industry. This sort of attitude is not helping. There is xenophobia involved in people's attitudes toward kebabs. It doesn't change the impact of phosphates on the human body. Here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42238363 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42238363 Your argument doesn't change the impact of poorly-encapsulated complexity on the brains and mental health of your fellow programmers. https://blog.codinghorror.com/programmers-and-chefs/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/programmers-and-chefs/ > Well you come across as an outsider telling us that the tools that we use—and do a fine job with—are no good, and that our literature sucks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle --------- Backend programming has this problem too. So does systems programming. The problem of unencapsulated complexity is core to the craft of software engineering. So is joining the fight against this problem. https://tonyarcieri.com/would-rust-have-prevented-heartbleed-another-look https://tonyarcieri.com/would-rust-have-prevented-heartbleed...