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> Masks became political the moment the CDC, WHO, and US Surgeon General Ah, I see you take the Trumpian line of "it's everybody else's fault except me!". It b

> Masks became political the moment the CDC, WHO, and US Surgeon General Ah, I see you take the Trumpian line of "it's everybody else's fault except me!". It became political in your country because the dozy muppet you elected as president can't actually deal with anything. > "People are actually dying" isn't the adult conversation. It's the reality on the ground. Other countries are gradually opening up their "draconian measures" and are managing to contain the virus. If you can't do that, it's your own failure.

Consultant32452 6y ago
>Ah, I see you take the Trumpian line of "it's everybody else's fault except me!". It became political in your country because the dozy muppet you elected as president can't actually deal with anything. I'm pro-mask and anti-Trump. Let's be clear. The world's leading experts gave us mask advice that they knew was a lie and likely lead to the deaths of tens of thousands additional people. No one has been fired. No one has had to resign in disgrace. Yes, I'm more upset at them than I am at some rando at the grocery store who doesn't want to wear a mask. >It's the reality on the ground. Other countries are gradually opening up their "draconian measures" and are managing to contain the virus. If you can't do that, it's your own failure. If you don't have a definitive answer to what is the maximum time for how long you'd continue the draconian measures, you're not even in the conversation. Our strategy from very early on was to flatten the curve so our hospitals weren't overrun. We succeeded, our hospitals have not been overrun. We're building herd immunity at a faster rate than other countries. It's totally fair to criticize that, but not without the context of the fact that other countries will eventually have to deal with this by building their own herd immunity. It appears they are choosing to spread that process out over a longer period of time. That's a very reasonable strategy also. Discussing different strategies is totally fair, but if all you can say is insult people by saying "You're not taking death seriously!" you're not participating in the conversation.
- phaemon 6y ago
  You carry on the "draconian measures" until the virus is unable to spread and dies out. It's not magic. It spreads through human contact. Reduce contact you reduce transmission. You are in the same camp as Trump because you're spouting clueless crap as though it's authoritative. I'm perfectly happy to be "not participating in the conversation" because your conversation is moronic bullshit.
  - Consultant32452 6y ago
    >You carry on the "draconian measures" until the virus is unable to spread and dies out. It's not magic. It spreads through human contact. Reduce contact you reduce transmission. What does this look like in practice? Do you intend to keep every national border closed until the entire planet has eradicated the disease? How long do you expect that to take? Do you believe this is sustainable for 5 years? What about 20 years? Will you also be keeping the schools closed during this time?
    - simion314 6y ago
      I think there are some countries that have no more cases, so each country would have managed same thing the issue can be solved, so a solution is to isolate only the countries that have a high risk.

Consultant32452 6y ago

>Ah, I see you take the Trumpian line of "it's everybody else's fault except me!". It became political in your country because the dozy muppet you elected as president can't actually deal with anything. I'm pro-mask and anti-Trump. Let's be clear. The world's leading experts gave us mask advice that they knew was a lie and likely lead to the deaths of tens of thousands additional people. No one has been fired. No one has had to resign in disgrace. Yes, I'm more upset at them than I am at some rando at the grocery store who doesn't want to wear a mask. >It's the reality on the ground. Other countries are gradually opening up their "draconian measures" and are managing to contain the virus. If you can't do that, it's your own failure. If you don't have a definitive answer to what is the maximum time for how long you'd continue the draconian measures, you're not even in the conversation. Our strategy from very early on was to flatten the curve so our hospitals weren't overrun. We succeeded, our hospitals have not been overrun. We're building herd immunity at a faster rate than other countries. It's totally fair to criticize that, but not without the context of the fact that other countries will eventually have to deal with this by building their own herd immunity. It appears they are choosing to spread that process out over a longer period of time. That's a very reasonable strategy also. Discussing different strategies is totally fair, but if all you can say is insult people by saying "You're not taking death seriously!" you're not participating in the conversation.

phaemon 6y ago
You carry on the "draconian measures" until the virus is unable to spread and dies out. It's not magic. It spreads through human contact. Reduce contact you reduce transmission. You are in the same camp as Trump because you're spouting clueless crap as though it's authoritative. I'm perfectly happy to be "not participating in the conversation" because your conversation is moronic bullshit.
- Consultant32452 6y ago
  >You carry on the "draconian measures" until the virus is unable to spread and dies out. It's not magic. It spreads through human contact. Reduce contact you reduce transmission. What does this look like in practice? Do you intend to keep every national border closed until the entire planet has eradicated the disease? How long do you expect that to take? Do you believe this is sustainable for 5 years? What about 20 years? Will you also be keeping the schools closed during this time?
  - simion314 6y ago
    I think there are some countries that have no more cases, so each country would have managed same thing the issue can be solved, so a solution is to isolate only the countries that have a high risk.