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I didn't say you're violating laws (but you may well be violating DMCA sections), I said you're violating terms of service. The expectation could be that they
by VikingCoder 6y ago
I didn't say you're violating laws (but you may well be violating DMCA sections), I said you're violating terms of service. The expectation could be that they halt your use of the service, block access to their other service, and may disable your account.
OP claimed, "It's my own right to save those packets(without re-distributing) them and watch them in any form I like." That is not accurate. He doesn't magically GAIN COPYRIGHT over content, just because he downloaded it. His use MAY be covered by Fair Use Laws, but it may also still be a violation of YouTube's Terms of Service.
- NMDaniel 6y agoNowhere did I imply that I'd gain copyright over the content. What's the difference between downloading and streaming a video? It's OK for the bytes to stay in main memory/network cache, but not in HDD? Would taking a memory dump of the RAM break their TOS?
- VikingCoder 6y agoYes, you did imply that you'd be able to copy the content how you like, when you said, "It's my own right to save those packets(without re-distributing) them and watch them in any form I like." YouTube lets you rent movies for 48 hours. You download a movie. You then claimed you can watch the movie in any form you like. Such as, later than the 48 hours.
- NMDaniel 6y agoSorry, I wasn't aware that YouTube lets you rent movies, I was mostly speaking about normal clips that anyone can watch for free.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y agoGoogle is willfully sending the data. If they want stricter access controls it's their job to implement them. TOS isn't a binding contract since one side never gets a chance to negotiate terms.
- VikingCoder 6y agoYes, and if they start identifying Google accounts that share the IP of a device violating YouTube TOS and disabling those accounts, some people will be very sad. They should at least consider the possibility. Go in with open eyes, so to say. This story comes to mind: https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/239728-google-suspends-accounts-used-resell-pixel-phones-profit https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/239728-google-suspends-ac...
- heavyset_go 6y ago> Yes, and if they start identifying Google accounts that share the IP of a device violating YouTube TOS and disabling those accounts, some people will be very sad. If this happens, even more people will take their eggs out of Google's basket. I've already migrated my email to another provider and use Searx[1] for search. [1] https://github.com/asciimoo/searx https://github.com/asciimoo/searx
- VikingCoder 6y agoFeel free to not use YouTube. If you do use it, please don't violate the TOS, because it increases the chances you'll screw it up for everyone else (me). People who violate TOS are why we can't have nice things.
- heavyset_go 6y agoNah, I'll use it as I please. Your sensibilities are your own, and not mine.
- VikingCoder 6y agoI'm not worried about your sensibilities. I'm worried that your actions may indirectly cause harm to me.
- heavyset_go 6y ago