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The SEO implications definitely have a massive influence on it, but it's also a consequence of copyright law. A recipe in and of itself isn't copyrightable, but

by cosmie 6y ago

The SEO implications definitely have a massive influence on it, but it's also a consequence of copyright law. A recipe in and of itself isn't copyrightable, but recipes fluffed up with a bunch of prose may qualify as a literary work and the recipe itself gains copyright protection as a component of that literary work[1]. [1] "How do I protect my recipe?" section of https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html

rimunroe 6y ago
I’ve heard this several times, but as far as I know this only means a person wouldn’t be able to copy the whole work, but that they’d still be absolutely allowed to extract/copy the recipe itself (in the form of the ingredients and the steps needed to make the food)
- cosmie 6y ago
  I can't speak to other forms of copyrights, but literary copyrights also protect derivative works[1]. It'd likely be hard to prove for isolated incidences or sufficiently generic recipes, but but if someone extracted and republished recipes en masse, you could establish that they're deriving those recipes from your works and violating your copyright. Edit: See my comment here[1] for more details and an example of the issue you run into, particularly with the "steps" component. [1] https://copyright.uslegal.com/enumerated-categories-of-copyrightable-works/copyright-for-literary-work/ https://copyright.uslegal.com/enumerated-categories-of-copyr... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23874340 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23874340
  - ac29 6y ago
    I would be very surprised if extracting a non-copyrightable recipe out of a copyrightable longer text wouldn't qualify as fair use.
  - rimunroe 6y ago
    I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think that reasoning holds up. An uninformed reading of 17 USC 102(b) sounds like it directly contradicts your theory: > In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work. This seems like a good summary of a relevant case and the relevant copyright law[1]. The gist of it is that even if a work is copyrightable, that doesn't extend to facts contained within it (such as the ingredients and process required to make a dish). [1] https://lizerbramlaw.com/2015/04/07/copyright-protect-recipes/ https://lizerbramlaw.com/2015/04/07/copyright-protect-recipe...
ajmurmann 6y ago
It happens with other content types as well. When you are looking for help with a video games for example you get perfect, 1-2 sentence answers on Reddit while Google search leads you to extremely long-winded articles that frequently start out even recapping what the game is. Edit: correct phone autocorrect mistake
dna_polymerase 6y ago
I'd argue an abundance of graduates in "creative writing" is part of the problem.

by cosmie 6y ago

rimunroe 6y ago

I’ve heard this several times, but as far as I know this only means a person wouldn’t be able to copy the whole work, but that they’d still be absolutely allowed to extract/copy the recipe itself (in the form of the ingredients and the steps needed to make the food)

cosmie 6y ago
I can't speak to other forms of copyrights, but literary copyrights also protect derivative works[1]. It'd likely be hard to prove for isolated incidences or sufficiently generic recipes, but but if someone extracted and republished recipes en masse, you could establish that they're deriving those recipes from your works and violating your copyright. Edit: See my comment here[1] for more details and an example of the issue you run into, particularly with the "steps" component. [1] https://copyright.uslegal.com/enumerated-categories-of-copyrightable-works/copyright-for-literary-work/ https://copyright.uslegal.com/enumerated-categories-of-copyr... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23874340 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23874340
- ac29 6y ago
  I would be very surprised if extracting a non-copyrightable recipe out of a copyrightable longer text wouldn't qualify as fair use.
- rimunroe 6y ago
  I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think that reasoning holds up. An uninformed reading of 17 USC 102(b) sounds like it directly contradicts your theory: > In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work. This seems like a good summary of a relevant case and the relevant copyright law[1]. The gist of it is that even if a work is copyrightable, that doesn't extend to facts contained within it (such as the ingredients and process required to make a dish). [1] https://lizerbramlaw.com/2015/04/07/copyright-protect-recipes/ https://lizerbramlaw.com/2015/04/07/copyright-protect-recipe...

ajmurmann 6y ago

It happens with other content types as well. When you are looking for help with a video games for example you get perfect, 1-2 sentence answers on Reddit while Google search leads you to extremely long-winded articles that frequently start out even recapping what the game is. Edit: correct phone autocorrect mistake

dna_polymerase 6y ago

I'd argue an abundance of graduates in "creative writing" is part of the problem.