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With Apple and Amazon pushing ARM this hard, we should see some amazing chips in the next 5-10 years. I haven't been this exited about hardware in a long time.

With Apple and Amazon pushing ARM this hard, we should see some amazing chips in the next 5-10 years. I haven't been this exited about hardware in a long time. Maybe it's because of my Raspberry Pis, but I'm childishly giggly.

ed25519FUUU 6y ago
I'm also not sure why I'm excited about ARM64 hardware as well. At least it's partly because in the imbedded world ARM operating systems are prevalent. Also, it's clear Intel rested on their laurels and resisted real innovation for a long time. Now with heavy hitters entering the field (Apple, Amazon, etc), hopefully we see some real innovation in this silicon space. What I'd like to see is SoCs with accelerated AI chips, similar to what's in the recent iPhones. If that type of hardware becomes widely available on the macs we almost all of us in SV develop on, then the libraries will follow.
- UhDev 6y ago
  Almost all develop on? lol!
  - hu3 6y ago
    Some people live in bubbles within bubbles. Fortunately, we have data to confirm our suspicions: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-developers-primary-operating-systems https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-de...
    - bloopernova 6y ago
      Windows 45.8% MacOS 27.5% Linux 26.6% BSD 0.1% Huh, I didn't expect the split to that even. That's pretty gratifying, in my opinion. That's far, far closer to 33% per major platform than I thought possible. (all possible apologies to the BSD demons out there, we love y'all and I wish it were more like 25% per major platform, all 4 of them)
- saagarjha 6y ago
  In the embedded wold you're usually looking at ARMv6-M or some other microcontroller version, and they're likely running some stripped-down minimal OS.
  - repiret 6y ago
    There’s lots of ARMv7-A/R and v8-A and similar CPUs of other architectures in the embedded world. There’s a lot more to embedded than Cortex-M style microcontrollers.
ma2rten 6y ago
Do Google and Microsoft also have plans to pursue ARM?
- messe 6y ago
  Microsoft have tried to market ARM devices, like the Surface Pro X. The performance sucks though from what I've heard. It's about as expensive as the iPad Pro, but far slower. It only supports 32-bit x86 emulation, and IIRC Rosetta on Apples A12Z based DTK (which has the same SoC as the iPad Pro) beats MS's emulation and supports 64-bit x86 macOS apps.
  - rowanG077 6y ago
    Can you link some benchmarks where Rosetta 2 beats MS's emulation in 32 bit only benchmarks?

ed25519FUUU 6y ago

I'm also not sure why I'm excited about ARM64 hardware as well. At least it's partly because in the imbedded world ARM operating systems are prevalent. Also, it's clear Intel rested on their laurels and resisted real innovation for a long time. Now with heavy hitters entering the field (Apple, Amazon, etc), hopefully we see some real innovation in this silicon space. What I'd like to see is SoCs with accelerated AI chips, similar to what's in the recent iPhones. If that type of hardware becomes widely available on the macs we almost all of us in SV develop on, then the libraries will follow.

UhDev 6y ago
Almost all develop on? lol!
- hu3 6y ago
  Some people live in bubbles within bubbles. Fortunately, we have data to confirm our suspicions: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-developers-primary-operating-systems https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-de...
  - bloopernova 6y ago
    Windows 45.8% MacOS 27.5% Linux 26.6% BSD 0.1% Huh, I didn't expect the split to that even. That's pretty gratifying, in my opinion. That's far, far closer to 33% per major platform than I thought possible. (all possible apologies to the BSD demons out there, we love y'all and I wish it were more like 25% per major platform, all 4 of them)
saagarjha 6y ago
In the embedded wold you're usually looking at ARMv6-M or some other microcontroller version, and they're likely running some stripped-down minimal OS.
- repiret 6y ago
  There’s lots of ARMv7-A/R and v8-A and similar CPUs of other architectures in the embedded world. There’s a lot more to embedded than Cortex-M style microcontrollers.

ma2rten 6y ago

Do Google and Microsoft also have plans to pursue ARM?

messe 6y ago
Microsoft have tried to market ARM devices, like the Surface Pro X. The performance sucks though from what I've heard. It's about as expensive as the iPad Pro, but far slower. It only supports 32-bit x86 emulation, and IIRC Rosetta on Apples A12Z based DTK (which has the same SoC as the iPad Pro) beats MS's emulation and supports 64-bit x86 macOS apps.
- rowanG077 6y ago
  Can you link some benchmarks where Rosetta 2 beats MS's emulation in 32 bit only benchmarks?