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This is an underrated comment. What's intriguing to me is the idea that not only might the killer have been (consciously or unconsciously) role-playing a "prof

by md_ 6y ago

This is an underrated comment. What's intriguing to me is the idea that not only might the killer have been (consciously or unconsciously) role-playing a "professional", but that the police were engaging in the same fantasy. There were under 200 homicides in NYC in 2020 (to date). Undoubtedly the slimmest minority (if any) were, in the way one imagines, "professional". So it seems safe to assume the homicide detectives might not have significant firsthand experience with which to say, "this seems like a professional job." I'm reminded a little bit of the Bellagio "Biker Bandit" (https://lasvegassun.com/news/2011/aug/23/bellagio-bandit-gets-3-11-years-15-million-chip-he/)--the https://lasvegassun.com/news/2011/aug/23/bellagio-bandit-get... whole thing seemed super professional (full-face motorcycle helmet, full body-suit, in-and-out in minutes)...but it turned out to be a dude with a gambling problem and an Oxy habit.

jjeaff 6y ago
Ya, I think if it truly was a professional job, there would be no evidence for these cops to review.
- trhway 6y ago
  or enough evidence pointing wrong way.
  - catalogia 6y ago
    I think so. In the case of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh, it was seemingly meant to look like natural causes: > Initially, Dubai authorities believed al-Mabhouh had died of natural causes.[44] Fawzi Benomran, the Dubai police coroner, said, "It was meant to look like death from natural causes during sleep." It took 10 days for the Dubai police to come to the conclusion that al-Mabhouh was assassinated. Benomran described the determination of the exact cause of death as "one of the most challenging cases" his department faced.[45] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Mabhouh#Cause_of_death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Ma... The team that killed him were on camera entering the country and in the hotel. However if they had been successful in convincing local authorities the death was natural, that would have made the (presumably very difficult to avoid) video evidence effectively irrelevant because nobody would have thought to consider it relevant.
- ls612 6y ago
  To be fair the only reason there was evidence was that they guy had to flee before he was done cleaning up. I don't blame the cops for their initial conclusions the level of premeditation in this murder was much higher than normal.
  - kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
    A pro would get the job done without screaming.
- md_ 6y ago
  Professionals can be surprisingly sloppy. I mean these guys are pros, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_Skripal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_... And I always return to this story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair. If you can't count on the Mossad to have good opsec, who can you count on? If anything, the impression that professionals do the job spotlessly seems like it goes hand-in-hand with the misattribution of this crime to a "professional." From what's in the public record, even "professional" hitmen have their moments of conscience, laziness, procedural failures--and, apparently, quite frequently, presumably due to the moral pressure of conducting assassinations. (Of course it's possible we don't hear about the hitmen who are truly pro-level, but I find that hard to believe.)
WalterBright 6y ago
I was once told my Dodge was a "drug dealer" car. I laughed, saying any sane drug dealer would choose a boring, nondescript, dime-a-dozen car that did not stand out. My Dodge attracts a lot of attention.
- justinclift 6y ago
  Sounds like there's a difference between drug dealers that do and don't know how to keep under the radar. And the person who said that to you, only knows of the unwise ones? :)
  - WalterBright 6y ago
    I suspect it is from watching drug dealer depictions on TV.
    - mercer 6y ago
      I find the feedback loop between TV depictions of drug dealers and the behavior of actual drug dealers endlessly fascinating.
- HeyLaughingBoy 6y ago
  Especially true since most drug dealers don't make much money and if they have a car, it's generally a beater that's about to fall apart.

by md_ 6y ago

jjeaff 6y ago

Ya, I think if it truly was a professional job, there would be no evidence for these cops to review.

trhway 6y ago
or enough evidence pointing wrong way.
- catalogia 6y ago
  I think so. In the case of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh, it was seemingly meant to look like natural causes: > Initially, Dubai authorities believed al-Mabhouh had died of natural causes.[44] Fawzi Benomran, the Dubai police coroner, said, "It was meant to look like death from natural causes during sleep." It took 10 days for the Dubai police to come to the conclusion that al-Mabhouh was assassinated. Benomran described the determination of the exact cause of death as "one of the most challenging cases" his department faced.[45] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Mabhouh#Cause_of_death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Ma... The team that killed him were on camera entering the country and in the hotel. However if they had been successful in convincing local authorities the death was natural, that would have made the (presumably very difficult to avoid) video evidence effectively irrelevant because nobody would have thought to consider it relevant.
ls612 6y ago
To be fair the only reason there was evidence was that they guy had to flee before he was done cleaning up. I don't blame the cops for their initial conclusions the level of premeditation in this murder was much higher than normal.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
  A pro would get the job done without screaming.
md_ 6y ago
Professionals can be surprisingly sloppy. I mean these guys are pros, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_Skripal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_... And I always return to this story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair. If you can't count on the Mossad to have good opsec, who can you count on? If anything, the impression that professionals do the job spotlessly seems like it goes hand-in-hand with the misattribution of this crime to a "professional." From what's in the public record, even "professional" hitmen have their moments of conscience, laziness, procedural failures--and, apparently, quite frequently, presumably due to the moral pressure of conducting assassinations. (Of course it's possible we don't hear about the hitmen who are truly pro-level, but I find that hard to believe.)

WalterBright 6y ago

I was once told my Dodge was a "drug dealer" car. I laughed, saying any sane drug dealer would choose a boring, nondescript, dime-a-dozen car that did not stand out. My Dodge attracts a lot of attention.

justinclift 6y ago
Sounds like there's a difference between drug dealers that do and don't know how to keep under the radar. And the person who said that to you, only knows of the unwise ones? :)
- WalterBright 6y ago
  I suspect it is from watching drug dealer depictions on TV.
  - mercer 6y ago
    I find the feedback loop between TV depictions of drug dealers and the behavior of actual drug dealers endlessly fascinating.
HeyLaughingBoy 6y ago
Especially true since most drug dealers don't make much money and if they have a car, it's generally a beater that's about to fall apart.