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I'm happy to support content creators with patreon when they offer a way to do so. _Especially_ when they offer a way to see their videos off YouTube. I'd never

I'm happy to support content creators with patreon when they offer a way to do so. _Especially_ when they offer a way to see their videos off YouTube. I'd never pay a dime for YT itself due to their policies and overall platform. I mostly use YouTube to discover niche content, but only because I've been running an ad-blocker since forever. I cannot fathom how anyone could enjoy it in any other way currently. When I see how IT works at friend's houses I'm horrified. If YT blocked access for browsers with ad-blockers (or make it inconvenient enough) I would essentially stop using it.

kbenson 6y ago
> I'd never pay a dime for YT itself due to their policies and overall platform. You're supporting them just by using them, whether they are showing you ads or tracking you or not. You're reducing demand on other platforms for this content because you're letting YouTube provide it for you. If you really want to stand against YouTube, don't use it. Otherwise, you're still supporting their platform, you've just decided to do so in a way that saves you time, money and convenience at the expense of YouTube and the content creators on YouTube. If you're going to do it, you might as well own it.
- bsdubernerd 6y ago
  You're absolutely right of course. But it's still a chicken-and-egg problem. YT is frequently the only platform where content creators publish because of network effects. I guess it's too easy for me to continue using YT for discovery.
  - kbenson 6y ago
    Yep, and it's those network effects which are strengthened through using YouTube even if they aren't making revenue from ads through you. It's similar to disliking Walmart and Amazon but still using them because they are cheap, convenient, a known factor, etc, which many do (including me, in the case of Amazon). The first step is acknowledging the trade-off you're making and being aware of it. At least then people are making a conscious choice, so if they want to re-evaluate at some point, they can do so with better facts.
specialist 6y ago
Being semi curious why creators aren't already using any of the other hosts, I poked around a bit. OMG. Whereas YouTube is a toxic cesspool, the others are blackhole hellmouths leading directly to eternal damnation. Meaning the wannabe's complete abrogation of their responsibilities show that YouTube's pathetic attempts at content moderation are better than nothing. I now think there's an opportunity for white label video hosting.
- specialist 6y ago
  I fully retract the implication that YouTube's doing a better job than the other video hosting sites. I just saw an ad from "Epoch Times" (Scientologists?) about the COVID-19 hoax. I'm gobsmacked. YouTube is pure unfiltered evil. Moderation wise, I don't make any kind of distinction between content and ads. I forgot that I turned off ad blocking. I guess I normally don't see this kind of shit.

kbenson 6y ago

> I'd never pay a dime for YT itself due to their policies and overall platform. You're supporting them just by using them, whether they are showing you ads or tracking you or not. You're reducing demand on other platforms for this content because you're letting YouTube provide it for you. If you really want to stand against YouTube, don't use it. Otherwise, you're still supporting their platform, you've just decided to do so in a way that saves you time, money and convenience at the expense of YouTube and the content creators on YouTube. If you're going to do it, you might as well own it.

bsdubernerd 6y ago
You're absolutely right of course. But it's still a chicken-and-egg problem. YT is frequently the only platform where content creators publish because of network effects. I guess it's too easy for me to continue using YT for discovery.
- kbenson 6y ago
  Yep, and it's those network effects which are strengthened through using YouTube even if they aren't making revenue from ads through you. It's similar to disliking Walmart and Amazon but still using them because they are cheap, convenient, a known factor, etc, which many do (including me, in the case of Amazon). The first step is acknowledging the trade-off you're making and being aware of it. At least then people are making a conscious choice, so if they want to re-evaluate at some point, they can do so with better facts.

specialist 6y ago

Being semi curious why creators aren't already using any of the other hosts, I poked around a bit. OMG. Whereas YouTube is a toxic cesspool, the others are blackhole hellmouths leading directly to eternal damnation. Meaning the wannabe's complete abrogation of their responsibilities show that YouTube's pathetic attempts at content moderation are better than nothing. I now think there's an opportunity for white label video hosting.

specialist 6y ago
I fully retract the implication that YouTube's doing a better job than the other video hosting sites. I just saw an ad from "Epoch Times" (Scientologists?) about the COVID-19 hoax. I'm gobsmacked. YouTube is pure unfiltered evil. Moderation wise, I don't make any kind of distinction between content and ads. I forgot that I turned off ad blocking. I guess I normally don't see this kind of shit.