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Is not a CO2 reduction, but that to the excess of CO2 that is already in the atmosphere, we worsened the situation as much as previous 2 years, not more. There

Is not a CO2 reduction, but that to the excess of CO2 that is already in the atmosphere, we worsened the situation as much as previous 2 years, not more. There is little to celebrate or feel relieved about it, we are still bleeding, but at least the cut stopped getting wider. The other "good" news is that we lowered the increase caused by carbon and replaced it with new emissions from oil and gas that may have other side effects. I'm a bit negative about this, even for an article that seem to have possitive news, maybe next year report will give us brigther news because there was less activity because the coronavirus.

kiliantics 6y ago
Yes, any news that is not about massive reductions in total CO2 emissions (not just from energy sector) should be considered extremely bad news. Because that's what it is. Our collective apathy and resignation to continued destruction needs to stop. We need to be mad as hell and not take it anymore.
- nicc 6y ago
  Wrong website for saying this. You'll be cancelled and flagged (and so will I). COULD NOT AGREE MORE! I also want to see what happens after in 2020 the whole world has stopped. Let's how many degrees the temperature lowers even with most factories and economical activity gone for months.
  - Retric 6y ago
    Atmospheric CO2 sticks around for a long time. Cutting emissions slows warming, but doesn’t decrease temperatures. You might be thinking of Methane which does break down reasonably quickly.
- Waterfall 6y ago
  Why? More usable land in Canada and Russia. Is that all there is?
  - cmrdporcupine 6y ago
    I hope you're joking. Pretty much all the potentially usable land in Canada is already in use, regardless of climate change. The issue with Canadian agricultural lands isn't climate it's soil quality. Almost everything else isn't going to be arable because it's thin soils over granite bedrock (Canadian shield). If you go really far north there's areas in permafrost but that's a) arid and b) would be poor fertility anyways. Likely to desertify if it actually got that warm.
    - Waterfall 6y ago
      It isn't about just fertility, it can have other uses, and its also possible to make it more fertile (although it is a poor choice as farmland). Las Vegas for example is very inhospitable, as was the ancient Persepolis.
  - kiliantics 6y ago
    It's not usable if crops won't grow: https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2458/why-a-half-degree-temperature-rise-is-a-big-deal/ https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2458/why-a-half-degree-tempera...
    - Waterfall 6y ago
      Is the only usage of land for crop growth?
      - kiliantics 6y ago
        well if you want to raise animals, you will also need crops to feed them... nearly half of all the crops we grow are fed to livestock
- dmos62 6y ago
  I would like to ask fellow readers to not downvote this line of comments. I may disagree with the sentiment, but meeting it with hostility would only cause apathy and resignation that the commentor talks about. It would be great to see important discussions happening with inclusiveness and understanding. That's what it takes to not fall apart when bad things happen.
- godelski 6y ago
  Get mad as hell, yes. But also revel in your victories. This is a long and arduous journey. People don't have the energy to be mad through all of it. They give up when we don't show how we're making progress. NO ONE IS SAYING STOP WE'VE WON. No one. But recognize that moral is low and it needs to improve. So let's celebrate the small victory and with our new and improved moral continue pushing forward.
godelski 6y ago
I'm not in favor of this attitude. If the wound is widening exponentially and you stop it from widening that's a big step in solving the issue. Basically you can move from containment to treatment. Taking steps towards solving an issue doesn't mean anyone is claiming we solved it or doesn't recognize that we still have hundreds of miles ahead in our journey. But rather you use the past success as motivation to build momentum. You should look at the past and say "hey, we've made measurable and meaningful change. Small, but it shows that what we're doing is working. Now is the time to fight harder." Revel in that success and use it to fuel your efforts. I believe putting these things in a negative light instead paints a picture that we haven't gotten far and that our efforts aren't working. Thus disheartening people and turns them apathetic. ("There's nothing I can do") Perspective matters.
- dmos62 6y ago
  Both of your perspectives are essential. We can't feel relieved, because there's a monumental amount of work left, and we should not discount what progress has been made, because that will discourage further progress.
  - godelski 6y ago
    But I wasn't trying to convey relief nor completion.
    - dmos62 6y ago
      When I said your perspectives, I meant your perspective and the commentor your responded to perspective.
- tunesmith 6y ago
  I think the GP is an important point though, because for those not following it closely, that graph can look like good news when it isn't. It's like the difference between speed and acceleration - if you're accelerating toward a wall it doesn't help your situation if you switch to merely maintaining current velocity.
briandear 6y ago
> maybe next year report will give us brigther news because there was less activity because the coronavirus. That “brighter news” would be at the expense of millions of jobs and livelihoods destroyed. In the US over 40% of black owned businesses are not expected to survive. Thousands of restaurants have been closed forever, and the toll keeps climbing. That isn’t “brighter news” by any stretch. Those safely ensconced in their work from home jobs might not get it, but the millions of small businesses are struggling and many are dying. Claiming “brighter news” for this is macabre.

kiliantics 6y ago

Yes, any news that is not about massive reductions in total CO2 emissions (not just from energy sector) should be considered extremely bad news. Because that's what it is. Our collective apathy and resignation to continued destruction needs to stop. We need to be mad as hell and not take it anymore.

nicc 6y ago
Wrong website for saying this. You'll be cancelled and flagged (and so will I). COULD NOT AGREE MORE! I also want to see what happens after in 2020 the whole world has stopped. Let's how many degrees the temperature lowers even with most factories and economical activity gone for months.
- Retric 6y ago
  Atmospheric CO2 sticks around for a long time. Cutting emissions slows warming, but doesn’t decrease temperatures. You might be thinking of Methane which does break down reasonably quickly.
Waterfall 6y ago
Why? More usable land in Canada and Russia. Is that all there is?
- cmrdporcupine 6y ago
  I hope you're joking. Pretty much all the potentially usable land in Canada is already in use, regardless of climate change. The issue with Canadian agricultural lands isn't climate it's soil quality. Almost everything else isn't going to be arable because it's thin soils over granite bedrock (Canadian shield). If you go really far north there's areas in permafrost but that's a) arid and b) would be poor fertility anyways. Likely to desertify if it actually got that warm.
  - Waterfall 6y ago
    It isn't about just fertility, it can have other uses, and its also possible to make it more fertile (although it is a poor choice as farmland). Las Vegas for example is very inhospitable, as was the ancient Persepolis.
- kiliantics 6y ago
  It's not usable if crops won't grow: https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2458/why-a-half-degree-temperature-rise-is-a-big-deal/ https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2458/why-a-half-degree-tempera...
  - Waterfall 6y ago
    Is the only usage of land for crop growth?
    - kiliantics 6y ago
      well if you want to raise animals, you will also need crops to feed them... nearly half of all the crops we grow are fed to livestock
dmos62 6y ago
I would like to ask fellow readers to not downvote this line of comments. I may disagree with the sentiment, but meeting it with hostility would only cause apathy and resignation that the commentor talks about. It would be great to see important discussions happening with inclusiveness and understanding. That's what it takes to not fall apart when bad things happen.
godelski 6y ago
Get mad as hell, yes. But also revel in your victories. This is a long and arduous journey. People don't have the energy to be mad through all of it. They give up when we don't show how we're making progress. NO ONE IS SAYING STOP WE'VE WON. No one. But recognize that moral is low and it needs to improve. So let's celebrate the small victory and with our new and improved moral continue pushing forward.

godelski 6y ago

I'm not in favor of this attitude. If the wound is widening exponentially and you stop it from widening that's a big step in solving the issue. Basically you can move from containment to treatment. Taking steps towards solving an issue doesn't mean anyone is claiming we solved it or doesn't recognize that we still have hundreds of miles ahead in our journey. But rather you use the past success as motivation to build momentum. You should look at the past and say "hey, we've made measurable and meaningful change. Small, but it shows that what we're doing is working. Now is the time to fight harder." Revel in that success and use it to fuel your efforts. I believe putting these things in a negative light instead paints a picture that we haven't gotten far and that our efforts aren't working. Thus disheartening people and turns them apathetic. ("There's nothing I can do") Perspective matters.

dmos62 6y ago
Both of your perspectives are essential. We can't feel relieved, because there's a monumental amount of work left, and we should not discount what progress has been made, because that will discourage further progress.
- godelski 6y ago
  But I wasn't trying to convey relief nor completion.
  - dmos62 6y ago
    When I said your perspectives, I meant your perspective and the commentor your responded to perspective.
tunesmith 6y ago
I think the GP is an important point though, because for those not following it closely, that graph can look like good news when it isn't. It's like the difference between speed and acceleration - if you're accelerating toward a wall it doesn't help your situation if you switch to merely maintaining current velocity.

briandear 6y ago

> maybe next year report will give us brigther news because there was less activity because the coronavirus. That “brighter news” would be at the expense of millions of jobs and livelihoods destroyed. In the US over 40% of black owned businesses are not expected to survive. Thousands of restaurants have been closed forever, and the toll keeps climbing. That isn’t “brighter news” by any stretch. Those safely ensconced in their work from home jobs might not get it, but the millions of small businesses are struggling and many are dying. Claiming “brighter news” for this is macabre.