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This has been going on for a while. It started with using unidentified units at the DC protests. Then the clearing of protestors for the photo op. Now they're r

by erentz 6y ago

This has been going on for a while. It started with using unidentified units at the DC protests. Then the clearing of protestors for the photo op. Now they're roaming the streets in unmarked rentals in Portland abducting people. This is against the wishes of the Governor and the Mayor. The DHS secretary visited Portland yesterday, this is what he saw that has prompted him to send in these forces: pictures of graffiti [1]. For that he labeled these are violent extremists and violent anarchists. And he has labeled these unidentified units abducting people as our valiant men and women in uniform and patriots. This is war on terror language used in our country, on our streets. On Wednesday Trump, with AG Barr next to him named other "blue cities" in addition to Portland: Seattle, Minneapolis, and Chicago. If this chills you and you don't want to see it progress, call your representatives and ask them to intervene to stop this. [1] https://twitter.com/DHS_Wolf/status/1284095525122453504 https://twitter.com/DHS_Wolf/status/1284095525122453504

erentz 6y ago
Legit curious about the down voting. If we're going to allow news like this to be posted, then what about my comment is not adding facts or to the conversation? Is it because of this line: "If this chills you and you don't want to see it progress, call your representatives and ask them to intervene to stop this."?
- philipkglass 6y ago
  I tried to upvote your parent comment earlier today but the action did nothing. Your karma did not increase. I was able to upvote it just now, though it's still in the gray. I have noticed that a minority of comments seem to be "locked" against voting for a certain period of time. I have previously found unvotable comments like yours, spotted them again hours later, and found that voting worked again. I haven't been able to spot any common patterns in these temporarily unvotable comments. I wonder if there is some sort of cooldown timer on voting for comments that have received heavy voting in both directions. I'm not entirely satisfied with that guess, because IIRC some unvotable comments I have encountered in the past appear to be anodyne and unlikely to have attracted prior vote controversy. There's also a limit on how frequently your votes will affect another user, but I hadn't voted on any of your other comments in the past day.
- nkurz 6y ago
  I upvoted to counter the downvotes, but I'd guess the downvotes were because you described what some people feel were legal arrests as "abducting people", and because you suggested the the DHS secretary sent in forces solely because of graffiti. Your point of view is legitimate, but others might legitimately disagree with it. I think just about everyone would agree with the "call your representatives" part.
- mercer 6y ago
  I strongly suggest you don't ask these questions. I upvoted your comment because I think it's worth being upvoted, but I'm generally a downvoter when I see that someone asks, regardless of how much I might agree with the comment, and I think I'm not the only one. I've been wondering if that's a good approach, but I mostly feel that it's a good principle to uphold the HN rules over whatever comment I might agree with, so I downvote comments that include complaints.

by erentz 6y ago

erentz 6y ago

Legit curious about the down voting. If we're going to allow news like this to be posted, then what about my comment is not adding facts or to the conversation? Is it because of this line: "If this chills you and you don't want to see it progress, call your representatives and ask them to intervene to stop this."?

philipkglass 6y ago
I tried to upvote your parent comment earlier today but the action did nothing. Your karma did not increase. I was able to upvote it just now, though it's still in the gray. I have noticed that a minority of comments seem to be "locked" against voting for a certain period of time. I have previously found unvotable comments like yours, spotted them again hours later, and found that voting worked again. I haven't been able to spot any common patterns in these temporarily unvotable comments. I wonder if there is some sort of cooldown timer on voting for comments that have received heavy voting in both directions. I'm not entirely satisfied with that guess, because IIRC some unvotable comments I have encountered in the past appear to be anodyne and unlikely to have attracted prior vote controversy. There's also a limit on how frequently your votes will affect another user, but I hadn't voted on any of your other comments in the past day.
nkurz 6y ago
I upvoted to counter the downvotes, but I'd guess the downvotes were because you described what some people feel were legal arrests as "abducting people", and because you suggested the the DHS secretary sent in forces solely because of graffiti. Your point of view is legitimate, but others might legitimately disagree with it. I think just about everyone would agree with the "call your representatives" part.
mercer 6y ago
I strongly suggest you don't ask these questions. I upvoted your comment because I think it's worth being upvoted, but I'm generally a downvoter when I see that someone asks, regardless of how much I might agree with the comment, and I think I'm not the only one. I've been wondering if that's a good approach, but I mostly feel that it's a good principle to uphold the HN rules over whatever comment I might agree with, so I downvote comments that include complaints.