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This isn’t breaking windows, there have been people murdered and millions of dollars in damages. What was improving?

snogaraleal 6y ago
What's funny is that it doesn't matter whether it was improving or not. Law is law. You don't stop chasing criminals just because criminality is down.
- thecolorblue 6y ago
  > You don't stop chasing criminals just because criminality is down. The process of arresting and charging those who have broken the law should not change either.
  - snogaraleal 6y ago
    Yet it seems to have changed nation-wide in order to accommodate those who are "protesting". You can't get it both ways.
- mnm1 6y ago
  Why let innocence get in the way of chasing people down? That's the argument police unions have been making for years. Whenever society wants to improve and decriminalize something, it can't because the fucking cops want to have easy arrest targets. Fuck them. At least now we can stop pretending we don't live in a police state.
  - snogaraleal 6y ago
    > Why let innocence get in the way of chasing people down? That's what I would ask BLM protestors making people kneel on the basis of their gender, skin, or job, in the same ironic tone.
    - grumio 6y ago
      >BLM protestors making people kneel Source? Any videos of BLM protestors forcing people to kneel?
      - snogaraleal 6y ago
        Just look at a mirror. :)
        dang 6y ago
        Please stop posting flamewar comments to HN. It's not what this site is for, it destroys what it is for, and your comments in this thread have unfortunately created the worst parts of it. We ban such accounts, so please don't do it again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        snogaraleal 6y ago
        Please, go ahead. I wanted to delete my account but HN isn't even GDPR compliant.
    - entropea 6y ago
      >That's what I would ask BLM protestors making people kneel on the basis of their gender, skin, or job, in the same ironic tone. "Making"? I don't think that's true. People are doing it in respect of black lives, unlike when people are forcibly being abducted by unmarked federal police.
      - snogaraleal 6y ago
        Actually, "protestors" are just letting themselves get abducted, you know, out of respect for unmarked federal police.
charwalker 6y ago
And billions of dollars looted from the PPP and US treasury while the media conflated protesters with the bad actors running amok. If you weren't in the protests, read accounts of those who were like the recent overview in the New Yorker. When a movement that starts with taking a knee is vilified, attacked, and denied legitimacy what other options are there to make their voices heard? Meanwhile, taxpayers have been robbed blind by the damage to our infrastructure by looters yes but also corruption, greed, and abuse of power not seen at this scale in the entire history of our democracy. Even the Secretary of Transportation and Husband, Mitch McConnell, made off with millions in loans paid for by your tax dollars. The current USPS head, who may be slowing delivery to damage the agency, may be taking direction from a guy whose old company received $700 million in bailout even though it is only worth 1/10 of that. You and I might have seen $1200. Millionaires got $135 Billion in tax loopholes. That's more than hospitals were allocated to deal with the virus. So do go ahead and complain about looters at protesters. It's important their bad behavior be recognized and flushed out. But don't lose sight of the larger issue, billions of taxpayer dollars going to the rich, donors to the current administration, and even directly to members of the administration and GOP party leadership. The corruption is obscene. A New Yorker in Minneapolis: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/06/22/the-heart-of-the-uprising-in-minneapolis https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/06/22/the-heart-of-t... USPS issues: https://www.salon.com/2020/07/15/disturbing-memo-reveals-trumps-usps-chief-has-slowed-delivery-amid-calls-to-expand-voting-by-mail/ https://www.salon.com/2020/07/15/disturbing-memo-reveals-tru... Millionaires: https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/04/27/proposal-unveiled-to-repeal-the-17-million-stimulus-check-loophole-for-rich-americans/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/04/27/proposal-u...
rudolph9 6y ago
Keep in mind I live downtown. A 1000 sq/ft apartment costs about a million dollars in downtown Portland so let’s not let our imaginations get the best of here. And how many people have been murdered as a result of the protests? Please stop fear mongering.
- aerostable_slug 6y ago
  >And how many people have been murdered as a result of the protests? At least two: the 16 year old boy killed in Seattle and the 8 year old girl killed in Atlanta. They were both shot by BLM "security". And they were both Black. EDIT: Downvoted for facts? What is this, Reddit? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8480217/PICTURED-16-year-old-boy-shot-dead-inside-CHOP.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8480217/PICTURED-16... https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/breaking-atlanta-police-release-footage-suspect-year-old-shooting-death/2zQeUA3HiSsPCUEjnTdKEK/ https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/breaking-atlanta-police-...
  - rtkwe 6y ago
    Those are a) different cities and b) basically background radiation in terms of violence. There are about 30 gun murders a day in the US having two over this many weeks in two major cities is regrettable but statistically nothing.
    - aerostable_slug 6y ago
      They were both killed as a direct result of the protests, they were ironically Black children, and they were both shot by people acting as armed "security" manning barricades. I am not sure how that doesn't answer the question about murders. Two may not be a lot (along with those merely shot), but they are still dead.
      - rtkwe 6y ago
        > Two may not be a lot (along with those merely shot), but they are still dead. It's a problem when you try to use it as an example of the protests being lawless and violent as a justification for extreme police responses and unidentified federal agencies arresting people in a different city.
aedocw 6y ago
Citation for protestors in Portland murdering people? Citation for "millions of dollars in damages"? Yes there have been broken windows, and there were significant riots in the immediate aftermath of George Floyd's murder. Since then (and absolute in the last 6 weeks) the protests have been peaceful with the exception of a few broken windows and some graffiti. Absolutely not millions of dollars in damage.

What's funny is that it doesn't matter whether it was improving or not. Law is law. You don't stop chasing criminals just because criminality is down.

thecolorblue 6y ago
> You don't stop chasing criminals just because criminality is down. The process of arresting and charging those who have broken the law should not change either.
- snogaraleal 6y ago
  Yet it seems to have changed nation-wide in order to accommodate those who are "protesting". You can't get it both ways.
mnm1 6y ago
Why let innocence get in the way of chasing people down? That's the argument police unions have been making for years. Whenever society wants to improve and decriminalize something, it can't because the fucking cops want to have easy arrest targets. Fuck them. At least now we can stop pretending we don't live in a police state.
- snogaraleal 6y ago
  > Why let innocence get in the way of chasing people down? That's what I would ask BLM protestors making people kneel on the basis of their gender, skin, or job, in the same ironic tone.
  - grumio 6y ago
    >BLM protestors making people kneel Source? Any videos of BLM protestors forcing people to kneel?
    - snogaraleal 6y ago
      Just look at a mirror. :)
      - dang 6y ago
        Please stop posting flamewar comments to HN. It's not what this site is for, it destroys what it is for, and your comments in this thread have unfortunately created the worst parts of it. We ban such accounts, so please don't do it again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        snogaraleal 6y ago
        Please, go ahead. I wanted to delete my account but HN isn't even GDPR compliant.
  - entropea 6y ago
    >That's what I would ask BLM protestors making people kneel on the basis of their gender, skin, or job, in the same ironic tone. "Making"? I don't think that's true. People are doing it in respect of black lives, unlike when people are forcibly being abducted by unmarked federal police.
    - snogaraleal 6y ago
      Actually, "protestors" are just letting themselves get abducted, you know, out of respect for unmarked federal police.

charwalker 6y ago

And billions of dollars looted from the PPP and US treasury while the media conflated protesters with the bad actors running amok. If you weren't in the protests, read accounts of those who were like the recent overview in the New Yorker. When a movement that starts with taking a knee is vilified, attacked, and denied legitimacy what other options are there to make their voices heard? Meanwhile, taxpayers have been robbed blind by the damage to our infrastructure by looters yes but also corruption, greed, and abuse of power not seen at this scale in the entire history of our democracy. Even the Secretary of Transportation and Husband, Mitch McConnell, made off with millions in loans paid for by your tax dollars. The current USPS head, who may be slowing delivery to damage the agency, may be taking direction from a guy whose old company received $700 million in bailout even though it is only worth 1/10 of that. You and I might have seen $1200. Millionaires got $135 Billion in tax loopholes. That's more than hospitals were allocated to deal with the virus. So do go ahead and complain about looters at protesters. It's important their bad behavior be recognized and flushed out. But don't lose sight of the larger issue, billions of taxpayer dollars going to the rich, donors to the current administration, and even directly to members of the administration and GOP party leadership. The corruption is obscene. A New Yorker in Minneapolis: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/06/22/the-heart-of-the-uprising-in-minneapolis https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/06/22/the-heart-of-t... USPS issues: https://www.salon.com/2020/07/15/disturbing-memo-reveals-trumps-usps-chief-has-slowed-delivery-amid-calls-to-expand-voting-by-mail/ https://www.salon.com/2020/07/15/disturbing-memo-reveals-tru... Millionaires: https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/04/27/proposal-unveiled-to-repeal-the-17-million-stimulus-check-loophole-for-rich-americans/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/04/27/proposal-u...

rudolph9 6y ago

Keep in mind I live downtown. A 1000 sq/ft apartment costs about a million dollars in downtown Portland so let’s not let our imaginations get the best of here. And how many people have been murdered as a result of the protests? Please stop fear mongering.

aerostable_slug 6y ago
>And how many people have been murdered as a result of the protests? At least two: the 16 year old boy killed in Seattle and the 8 year old girl killed in Atlanta. They were both shot by BLM "security". And they were both Black. EDIT: Downvoted for facts? What is this, Reddit? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8480217/PICTURED-16-year-old-boy-shot-dead-inside-CHOP.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8480217/PICTURED-16... https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/breaking-atlanta-police-release-footage-suspect-year-old-shooting-death/2zQeUA3HiSsPCUEjnTdKEK/ https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/breaking-atlanta-police-...
- rtkwe 6y ago
  Those are a) different cities and b) basically background radiation in terms of violence. There are about 30 gun murders a day in the US having two over this many weeks in two major cities is regrettable but statistically nothing.
  - aerostable_slug 6y ago
    They were both killed as a direct result of the protests, they were ironically Black children, and they were both shot by people acting as armed "security" manning barricades. I am not sure how that doesn't answer the question about murders. Two may not be a lot (along with those merely shot), but they are still dead.
    - rtkwe 6y ago
      > Two may not be a lot (along with those merely shot), but they are still dead. It's a problem when you try to use it as an example of the protests being lawless and violent as a justification for extreme police responses and unidentified federal agencies arresting people in a different city.

aedocw 6y ago

Citation for protestors in Portland murdering people? Citation for "millions of dollars in damages"? Yes there have been broken windows, and there were significant riots in the immediate aftermath of George Floyd's murder. Since then (and absolute in the last 6 weeks) the protests have been peaceful with the exception of a few broken windows and some graffiti. Absolutely not millions of dollars in damage.