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What are the odds of a nurse and doctor with full PPE dying from COVID?

gremlinsinc 6y ago
Over 800 healthcare workers have died since this began. https://khn.org/news/lost-on-the-frontline-health-care-worker-death-toll-covid19-coronavirus/ https://khn.org/news/lost-on-the-frontline-health-care-worke... It takes time and effort to create new ventilators, masks, ppe's, etc... but it takes like 20-30 years to create a new doctor or nurse, they're in limited supply - the more we lose the harder this virus will be to defeat long-term. Likewise the hit to public schools if we lose janitorial, bussing, teaching, and food-working staff MANY of which skew older. If a school system in a rural town doesn't have enough workers to bus kids, clean up the school, serve lunch, or teach (there's already a teaching shortage because it's a shit job that doesn't pay what it's worth), then schools will be defunkt before long anyways. What do we do then? It'll be decades before we can replace all those teachers, so we'll have to speedily move to online teaching... what then do we do about parents who need school as daycare so they can provide? We're beginning to see how intertwined everything in society is, and it's all seemingly crashing down and most people don't even see it happening... it's just a a flu... it'll be over soon.... someone said on FB yesterday that it'll go away as soon as the election is over the only reason it's so big is because of the election.... No. December the election will be behind us, flu season will be upon us, and the 3rd wave will decimate us worse than this one is. Because it'll be cold, we'll be inside, Christmas will come and families will get tired of quarantine again and it's the perfect storm for another explosion of cases.
- rpiguy 6y ago
  This is ridiculous fear mongering. There are 5.1 million people working in hospitals. https://datausa.io/profile/naics/hospitals https://datausa.io/profile/naics/hospitals 800/5100000 = .00016 They are therefore three times less likely to die from Covid than the general population. Schools across Europe have opened. Children rarely spread the disease. Doctors recommend schools open. Twenty times as many children died of the flu last year than from COVID. Death rates are not surging in proportion to cases. The CFR of this disease does not meet the threshold for a pandemic, nor does it merit the level of fear engendered by the press. It is utterly ridiculous.
  - cryptoz 6y ago
    > There are 5.1 million people working in hospitals. The person you are replying to is talking about frontline healthcare workers. But you ignored that and ran your math to include everyone who works in a hospital, and then you go on to ridicule the OP based on your incorrect math. > They are therefore three times less likely to die from Covid than the general population. This is based on your incorrect math and I'm quite sure is the incorrect conclusion. > Schools across Europe have opened. This isn't Europe, though, it's America. The situation is different here. > Twenty times as many children died of the flu last year than from COVID. I'm not sure how to interpret this, but COVID did not start to spread until November/December last year and obviously the numbers were small to start. What do you mean to imply with this stat? > The CFR of this disease does not meet the threshold for a pandemic The definition of a pandemic has nothing to do with CFR. > nor does it merit the level of fear engendered by the press. I haven't seen any fear-mongering from respected press. Most of the fear mongering I see about COVID is from Fox or similar telling us that the masks are something to be afraid of, due to government overreach or something. But the normal press mostly just reports the facts. If those facts create fear in you, then I'm sorry, but it's not the press causing that fear. > It is utterly ridiculous. Please stop.
  - enraged_camel 6y ago
    >> Schools across Europe have opened. Children rarely spread the disease. Doctors recommend schools open. False on all three counts. Stop spreading misinformation and propaganda, thanks.
    - seniorgarcia 6y ago
      >> Schools across Europe have opened That's not wrong. At least in France and Germany schools reopened 2 weeks before summer break with near full attendance.
    - rpiguy 6y ago
      All three are true, you are denying science. I am very tired of this anti-science crowd peddling fear. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/29/884638999/u-s-pediatricians-call-for-in-person-school-this-fall https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...
ashtonkem 6y ago
Proper, full PPE? Low. Proper PPE requires diligence and training, but for medical professionals it’s pretty reasonable to expect them to wear it correctly. The issue is that “proper PPE” is a bad assumption in America. Normally PPE is one time use stuff; you’re supposed to destroy the N95 after use. But we don’t have nearly enough of the stuff, so doctors have been reusing them for a while. This increases the risk of it failing, which is a huge issue if you’re going to interact with known COVID positive patients.

Over 800 healthcare workers have died since this began. https://khn.org/news/lost-on-the-frontline-health-care-worker-death-toll-covid19-coronavirus/ https://khn.org/news/lost-on-the-frontline-health-care-worke... It takes time and effort to create new ventilators, masks, ppe's, etc... but it takes like 20-30 years to create a new doctor or nurse, they're in limited supply - the more we lose the harder this virus will be to defeat long-term. Likewise the hit to public schools if we lose janitorial, bussing, teaching, and food-working staff MANY of which skew older. If a school system in a rural town doesn't have enough workers to bus kids, clean up the school, serve lunch, or teach (there's already a teaching shortage because it's a shit job that doesn't pay what it's worth), then schools will be defunkt before long anyways. What do we do then? It'll be decades before we can replace all those teachers, so we'll have to speedily move to online teaching... what then do we do about parents who need school as daycare so they can provide? We're beginning to see how intertwined everything in society is, and it's all seemingly crashing down and most people don't even see it happening... it's just a a flu... it'll be over soon.... someone said on FB yesterday that it'll go away as soon as the election is over the only reason it's so big is because of the election.... No. December the election will be behind us, flu season will be upon us, and the 3rd wave will decimate us worse than this one is. Because it'll be cold, we'll be inside, Christmas will come and families will get tired of quarantine again and it's the perfect storm for another explosion of cases.

rpiguy 6y ago
This is ridiculous fear mongering. There are 5.1 million people working in hospitals. https://datausa.io/profile/naics/hospitals https://datausa.io/profile/naics/hospitals 800/5100000 = .00016 They are therefore three times less likely to die from Covid than the general population. Schools across Europe have opened. Children rarely spread the disease. Doctors recommend schools open. Twenty times as many children died of the flu last year than from COVID. Death rates are not surging in proportion to cases. The CFR of this disease does not meet the threshold for a pandemic, nor does it merit the level of fear engendered by the press. It is utterly ridiculous.
- cryptoz 6y ago
  > There are 5.1 million people working in hospitals. The person you are replying to is talking about frontline healthcare workers. But you ignored that and ran your math to include everyone who works in a hospital, and then you go on to ridicule the OP based on your incorrect math. > They are therefore three times less likely to die from Covid than the general population. This is based on your incorrect math and I'm quite sure is the incorrect conclusion. > Schools across Europe have opened. This isn't Europe, though, it's America. The situation is different here. > Twenty times as many children died of the flu last year than from COVID. I'm not sure how to interpret this, but COVID did not start to spread until November/December last year and obviously the numbers were small to start. What do you mean to imply with this stat? > The CFR of this disease does not meet the threshold for a pandemic The definition of a pandemic has nothing to do with CFR. > nor does it merit the level of fear engendered by the press. I haven't seen any fear-mongering from respected press. Most of the fear mongering I see about COVID is from Fox or similar telling us that the masks are something to be afraid of, due to government overreach or something. But the normal press mostly just reports the facts. If those facts create fear in you, then I'm sorry, but it's not the press causing that fear. > It is utterly ridiculous. Please stop.
- enraged_camel 6y ago
  >> Schools across Europe have opened. Children rarely spread the disease. Doctors recommend schools open. False on all three counts. Stop spreading misinformation and propaganda, thanks.
  - seniorgarcia 6y ago
    >> Schools across Europe have opened That's not wrong. At least in France and Germany schools reopened 2 weeks before summer break with near full attendance.
  - rpiguy 6y ago
    All three are true, you are denying science. I am very tired of this anti-science crowd peddling fear. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/29/884638999/u-s-pediatricians-call-for-in-person-school-this-fall https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...

ashtonkem 6y ago

Proper, full PPE? Low. Proper PPE requires diligence and training, but for medical professionals it’s pretty reasonable to expect them to wear it correctly. The issue is that “proper PPE” is a bad assumption in America. Normally PPE is one time use stuff; you’re supposed to destroy the N95 after use. But we don’t have nearly enough of the stuff, so doctors have been reusing them for a while. This increases the risk of it failing, which is a huge issue if you’re going to interact with known COVID positive patients.