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Even though losing the job is not a punishment, not everyone even lost his job. Andreas Sheuer is still in charge of transport as a federal Minister, despite t

Even though losing the job is not a punishment, not everyone even lost his job. Andreas Sheuer is still in charge of transport as a federal Minister, despite the 500,000,000 € heavy corruption scandal. Von der Leyen got even "promoted" to EU-lead position after heavy corruption scandal last year when she was a Defense Minister of Germany. Not only Germany, but in the whole EU commission leadership it would be hard to find someone without corruption scandal, accusation or conviction.

allendoerfer 6y ago
Scheuer is my personal pet peeve. His last act was to create road traffic regulations, except he made some procedural errors, so 16 states have to roll them back and implement them again once it has been properly voted on the law. All that after evaporating 500.000.000 € in a pissing contest everyone knew he was going to lose. The guy is corrupt and comically incompetent, but he just seems invincible. Why is he still in office? My theory is, that it has something to do with his dialect and his overall slightly idiotic appeareance. Though not on the same level as Trump or Boris Johnson, still that seems to give him some sort of protection, because people do not expect anything from him in the first place. But then again, like OP correctly said: Europes leader has a corruption scandal at home, deleted evidence, the whole thing, but just keeps doing her thing.
- Grollicus 6y ago
  > Why is he still in office The answer to that question is called the CSU. But they are losing ground in Bavaria so there's hope.
  - allendoerfer 6y ago
    They will also provide the next chancellor of Germany, so I am not that hopeful yet.
    - pantalaimon 6y ago
      Söder?
  - hef19898 6y ago
    The day the CSU is not the majority party in Bavaria anymore is the day freezes over. Only to melt up again when the new government starts scratching the surface of 70 years of CSU governance, friction heat of doing will be significant.
qayxc 6y ago
The problem is that gross incompetence is not a crime. You can't arrest someone on account of them being an idiot. It's the responsibility of the other party members and especially the opposition to demand him being removed from office. Funnily enough the Green Party demanded exactly that, but then again that's the same party that wants general speed limits... So yeah, of course any party that wants to get reelected in Germany will stand behind that clown, as long as that clown fights for "Freie Fahrt für freie Bürger!" and lets them keep their drivers license, because 21 km/h above the speed limit is just a trivial offence...
- cool_dude85 6y ago
  Nice system you've got set up where it's the job of the opposition party to demand removal from office, presumably without the parliamentary power to actually make it happen. So you get to be corrupt as you want, and when it's found out and nothing happens, the other guys take the blame!
- petre 6y ago
  > You can't arrest someone on account of them being an idiot. No but you can sure fire them, in the private sector at least. The 21 km/h above the speed limit would probably not make the auto industry very happy. What good is a Porsche if one needs to drive slowly?
  - marton78 6y ago
    Yes. Driving on the autobahn without speed limit is our 2nd amendment.
- heavenlyblue 6y ago
  > The problem is that gross incompetence is not a crime I think it should be. You get the power over large sums of money and for that you’re liable with your life.
  - qayxc 6y ago
    Problem is, you wouldn't find anyone willing to take that job then. We're all just human after all and making mistakes is part of the human condition.
riffraff 6y ago
> but in the whole EU commission leadership it would be hard to find someone without corruption scandal, accusation or conviction. that seems an exaggeration, off the top of my head Gentiloni[0] (economics) has not been involved in any corruption scandal or accusation that I know of, nor was Timmermans[1] (VP). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Gentiloni https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Gentiloni [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frans_Timmermans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frans_Timmermans

allendoerfer 6y ago

Scheuer is my personal pet peeve. His last act was to create road traffic regulations, except he made some procedural errors, so 16 states have to roll them back and implement them again once it has been properly voted on the law. All that after evaporating 500.000.000 € in a pissing contest everyone knew he was going to lose. The guy is corrupt and comically incompetent, but he just seems invincible. Why is he still in office? My theory is, that it has something to do with his dialect and his overall slightly idiotic appeareance. Though not on the same level as Trump or Boris Johnson, still that seems to give him some sort of protection, because people do not expect anything from him in the first place. But then again, like OP correctly said: Europes leader has a corruption scandal at home, deleted evidence, the whole thing, but just keeps doing her thing.

Grollicus 6y ago
> Why is he still in office The answer to that question is called the CSU. But they are losing ground in Bavaria so there's hope.
- allendoerfer 6y ago
  They will also provide the next chancellor of Germany, so I am not that hopeful yet.
  - pantalaimon 6y ago
    Söder?
- hef19898 6y ago
  The day the CSU is not the majority party in Bavaria anymore is the day freezes over. Only to melt up again when the new government starts scratching the surface of 70 years of CSU governance, friction heat of doing will be significant.

qayxc 6y ago

The problem is that gross incompetence is not a crime. You can't arrest someone on account of them being an idiot. It's the responsibility of the other party members and especially the opposition to demand him being removed from office. Funnily enough the Green Party demanded exactly that, but then again that's the same party that wants general speed limits... So yeah, of course any party that wants to get reelected in Germany will stand behind that clown, as long as that clown fights for "Freie Fahrt für freie Bürger!" and lets them keep their drivers license, because 21 km/h above the speed limit is just a trivial offence...

cool_dude85 6y ago
Nice system you've got set up where it's the job of the opposition party to demand removal from office, presumably without the parliamentary power to actually make it happen. So you get to be corrupt as you want, and when it's found out and nothing happens, the other guys take the blame!
petre 6y ago
> You can't arrest someone on account of them being an idiot. No but you can sure fire them, in the private sector at least. The 21 km/h above the speed limit would probably not make the auto industry very happy. What good is a Porsche if one needs to drive slowly?
- marton78 6y ago
  Yes. Driving on the autobahn without speed limit is our 2nd amendment.
heavenlyblue 6y ago
> The problem is that gross incompetence is not a crime I think it should be. You get the power over large sums of money and for that you’re liable with your life.
- qayxc 6y ago
  Problem is, you wouldn't find anyone willing to take that job then. We're all just human after all and making mistakes is part of the human condition.

riffraff 6y ago

> but in the whole EU commission leadership it would be hard to find someone without corruption scandal, accusation or conviction. that seems an exaggeration, off the top of my head Gentiloni[0] (economics) has not been involved in any corruption scandal or accusation that I know of, nor was Timmermans[1] (VP). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Gentiloni https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Gentiloni [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frans_Timmermans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frans_Timmermans