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Looking forward to the first EEE comment. :)
by boramalper 6y ago
Looking forward to the first EEE comment. :)
- verroq 6y agoThat's literally what Windows Subsystem for Linux is. Trying to integrate Linux into Windows.
- maaarghk 6y agoWhere's the extinguish? Get everyone so addicted to procmon for Linux that they stop paying for strace?
- verroq 6y agoYou're skipping ahead of yourself, wait for them to build proprietary extensions in WSL. The entire point is move people away from Linux and back onto the gimped version of the platform provided by MS. Case in point: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23867754 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23867754
- MCOfficer 6y agoNot sure how this relates to the project at hand. It's a process manager. for linux.
- arp242 6y agoMicrosoft making their products better? What an absolutely evil plot they're concocting! Ya'll stuck in the Microsoft of 20 years ago. I hold no great love for Microsoft or its products, and large corporate power can always be abused, but screeching "EEE!" at the slightest hint with no evidence based on assumptions on what they might do in 5 years is just silly.
- lokedhs 6y agoI wouldn't say there is no evidence. And as for previous behaviour, people used to applaud what they were doing when they were embracing OS/2.
- UI_at_80x24 6y ago"Fool me once ..." MS (like all corporations) only cares about one thing, making money. It's not silly to distrust a corporation that has repeatedly in the past stolen, subverted, and act in bad faith as soon as a 'threat' to their complete dominance has shown up. Yes, most of the old-guard are gone. (Gates, Ballmer, etc) But I'm not entirely ready to trust them yet. (Windows10 telemetry, not honouring user-defined configuration [Peer-to-Peer updates active even though it's disabled in user-facing options], Candy Crush and all other game 'apps' being pulled from the MS store.) So they aren't even acting wholly trustworthy now, even under this current management. Why would I trust them to be nice with Linux?
- diffeomorphism 6y agoEmbrace linux by offering WSL. Extend by offering stuff exclusive to WSL, e.g. their directX and cuda stuff. Embrace by releasing procmon, powershell, ... . <-- You are here. Then offer nice additional features that happen to only be available on some blessed config/integration with AD/...
- pjmlp 6y agoEmbrace linux by offering NDK Extend by offering stuff exclusive to Android, e.g. their Java and NDK Native APIs stuff. Embrace by releasing Play Store only APIs, ... . <-- You are here. Then close down NDK to anything that isn't Android relevant.
- diffeomorphism 6y agoSo your argument is "but, but google is doing it, too!"? ... and that makes it better/worse/look a three-headed monkey is behind you?
- pjmlp 6y agoYes, because apparently for the MS hating crowd everything is fine when Google and others are is doing it. How are you enjoying the BSD upstream updates done by Sony?
- diffeomorphism 6y agoSo monkey and some "crowd" supposedly is doing something, okay.
- pjmlp 6y agoLuckily I don't have a FOSS agenda that pretends that some corporations are better than others with human characteristics. The time of rainbow colours and cheerful music is long gone for me.
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- pjmlp 6y agoWindows supports POSIX since Windows NT, released in 1993. WSL is only the realization that Linux killed POSIX and noways the Linux ABI is more relevant than POSIX. Something that other UNIX clones like Solaris, illumos, SmartOS and FreeBSD also support.
- kitotik 6y agoNice self-fulfilling prophecy! This tool seems to be the first foray into the second ‘E’.
- SahAssar 6y agoHow is releasing a tool for linux "extending" it? If so every company that has ever shipped software for linux has "extended" it. Extend would be forking the linux kernel and adding a bunch of interfaces for it that somehow have patents owned by MS so that they could not be reintegrated into mainline. Extinguish would be to get all the distros to start using MS'es kernel and interfaces instead of mainline. If we think back to the web, MS releasing software for linux is like them having a webpage. MS forking and adding proprietary interfaces to the kernel would be like all the DX filters and activeX apis added to IE. MS getting dominant players to use those interfaces would be like all the webpages having "Works best in IE6" logos. This is still firmly in the first E. It could be argued that back when you could only develop Azure Sphere (their IoT linux distro) on windows it started to creep into the second E, but now you can develop for it on linux too, so perhaps that puts us back on the first E. The directX stuff in WSL is definitely a second E move though.
- pjmlp 6y agoSurely, then we can always bring Tizen, Android and ChromeOS into the comments as well.
- nindalf 6y agoI wonder if we could train something that would automatically generate typical comments on HN threads. - This is EEE! - No it's not, there is no third E - Well, back in the 90s such and such happened - Microsoft has changed! Look at VS Code! - Electron is slow. - Buy a better machine. - what about the millions who can't afford a better machine? - Electron can be good, just code better. - but muh privacy - exactly, VS Code is going to take over the world with it's knowledge about your coding habits - It's all about Azure nowadays, anyway. - Azure has terrible customer support, we should use bare metal.