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you're really quite sure that trans women are not offered estrogen?

by arkis22 6y ago

qtplatypus 6y ago
Trans men are not offered estrogen. Which is what the parent is saying.
- arkis22 6y ago
  trans men are born female who are male. why would you give them estrogen
  - 2038AD 6y ago
    Exactly
tsimionescu 6y ago
Trans women are offered estrogen, of course. Neither cis nor trans men are normally prescribed estrogen.
- arkis22 6y ago
  what is your point, why would you give estrogen to a straight male or a born female who identifies as male?
  - tsimionescu 6y ago
    Aplogies, I assumed you were calling trans women starting estrogen therapy 'men'. The whole thread started because the OP was using the word 'men' to refer to people who are just starting estrogen therapy specifically, not hormone-replacement therapy in general. The person you initially replied to was pointing out that trans women prefer to be called (trans) women at that point, not 'men seeking a gender change'. You seem to have assumed that they were putting trans men at a disadvantage, but the discussion was never about trans men. It was always about the proper terms to use for someone who is seeking estrogen, whether they should be talked about as 'men seeking to change their gender' or 'women seeking to align their sex with their gender'. Unfortunately, from your earlier reply, I assumed that you were insisting on the use of 'men' in this case, and I wanted to point out why I believe 'trans women' is more correct. I realize I was wrong in my assumption.
  - floatingatoll 6y ago
    In people who are not seeking estradiol treatment for body dysphoria, prescribing estradiol can still be a viable treatment for issues other than body dysphoria where, due to genetic or other issues, raising their circulating estradiol (E2) blood levels results in a medically positive outcome. In one paper on this topic, two such medical conditions are hypogonadism and prostate cancer: https://eje.bioscientifica.com/downloadpdf/journals/eje/181/1/EJE-18-1000.pdf https://eje.bioscientifica.com/downloadpdf/journals/eje/181/...
floatingatoll 6y ago
They're offered estradiol, not estrogen.
geofft 6y ago
I think we're agreeing vehemently. But I'm not sure. To be clear, since trans women are women, "men" doesn't refer to trans women.

you're really quite sure that trans women are not offered estrogen?

qtplatypus 6y ago

Trans men are not offered estrogen. Which is what the parent is saying.

arkis22 6y ago
trans men are born female who are male. why would you give them estrogen
- 2038AD 6y ago
  Exactly

tsimionescu 6y ago

Trans women are offered estrogen, of course. Neither cis nor trans men are normally prescribed estrogen.

arkis22 6y ago
what is your point, why would you give estrogen to a straight male or a born female who identifies as male?
- tsimionescu 6y ago
  Aplogies, I assumed you were calling trans women starting estrogen therapy 'men'. The whole thread started because the OP was using the word 'men' to refer to people who are just starting estrogen therapy specifically, not hormone-replacement therapy in general. The person you initially replied to was pointing out that trans women prefer to be called (trans) women at that point, not 'men seeking a gender change'. You seem to have assumed that they were putting trans men at a disadvantage, but the discussion was never about trans men. It was always about the proper terms to use for someone who is seeking estrogen, whether they should be talked about as 'men seeking to change their gender' or 'women seeking to align their sex with their gender'. Unfortunately, from your earlier reply, I assumed that you were insisting on the use of 'men' in this case, and I wanted to point out why I believe 'trans women' is more correct. I realize I was wrong in my assumption.
- floatingatoll 6y ago
  In people who are not seeking estradiol treatment for body dysphoria, prescribing estradiol can still be a viable treatment for issues other than body dysphoria where, due to genetic or other issues, raising their circulating estradiol (E2) blood levels results in a medically positive outcome. In one paper on this topic, two such medical conditions are hypogonadism and prostate cancer: https://eje.bioscientifica.com/downloadpdf/journals/eje/181/1/EJE-18-1000.pdf https://eje.bioscientifica.com/downloadpdf/journals/eje/181/...

floatingatoll 6y ago

They're offered estradiol, not estrogen.

geofft 6y ago

I think we're agreeing vehemently. But I'm not sure. To be clear, since trans women are women, "men" doesn't refer to trans women.