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Ah, this brings back memories from my childhood. The first programming language I ever used was Logo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_(programming_language) h

Ah, this brings back memories from my childhood. The first programming language I ever used was Logo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_(programming_language). This was sometime back in 2002-2003 when I was 7 or 8 years old. We had very basic PCs in my school, many of which were purely DOS based. This is a great tool to teach kids programming!

metalliqaz 6y ago
I remember the turtle game, as well as lego logo. It must have been something like 1991. The teachers at my school were just completely clueless at teaching programming or anything to do with computers. We would just run through work sheets that told you what to type. Hardly anyone got any real instruction. It wasn't until DOOM came out that I got motivated to self-teach.
th0ma5 6y ago
Logo was I think the second language I learned after Commodore Basic but the on the C64. The third was probably Gary Kitchen's Game Maker scripting. This was all mid 80s. Logo though did feel transformative to me.
thesuperbigfrog 6y ago
Python has turtle graphics: https://docs.python.org/3/library/turtle.html https://docs.python.org/3/library/turtle.html
manojlds 6y ago
It was my first programming language as well, here in India. Around 1996s had it in school.
- lewisjoe 6y ago
  Brings back memories of those huge monitors with the turtle on the screen ;) They were magical back then.
082349872349872 6y ago
Not only does "Shelly" reference the LOGO turtle, but LOGO itself was probably referencing Grey Walter's tortoise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQE82derooc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQE82derooc
grugagag 6y ago
Same here. Logo was my first programming language at 9 or 10 back in 1989 in eastern Europe. Long live Logo. Kids nowadays ought to have a similar intro
- a_imho 6y ago
  Logo was such a common denominator when I was in primary. Two decades later I was sent a resume with Logo skills listed, it was an obvious inside joke, but picking up on it ensured we started off on the very right foot.
nitnelave 6y ago
I remember when teaching a subset of LOGO that we wanted a cool input program for students. So I built reverse logo [1] to turn an image (black-and-white, contiguous) into a logo program that draws it. [1]: https://github.com/nitnelave/reverse-logo https://github.com/nitnelave/reverse-logo
vlz 6y ago
> This is a great tool to teach kids programming! One would think so! It was taught at our school (didn't take the course myself, about 15 years old at the time) and I only remember my classmates complaining, that it was boring. Some of them wanted to learn "real programming" instead. Drawing shapes with a turtle felt overly childish and pedagogic even then.
- piracy1 6y ago
  I think it's a good introduction but would be very boring to stay focused on for any length of time. But my first thought upon seeing this was if someone, especially a younger person wanted to go from 0 knowledge of programming to a little bit, just get the idea of what it's like so they can see it's not magic, this would be a great start.
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  I think 15 is too old to teach Logo. It works better when the kids are ten years old or so.

metalliqaz 6y ago

I remember the turtle game, as well as lego logo. It must have been something like 1991. The teachers at my school were just completely clueless at teaching programming or anything to do with computers. We would just run through work sheets that told you what to type. Hardly anyone got any real instruction. It wasn't until DOOM came out that I got motivated to self-teach.

th0ma5 6y ago

Logo was I think the second language I learned after Commodore Basic but the on the C64. The third was probably Gary Kitchen's Game Maker scripting. This was all mid 80s. Logo though did feel transformative to me.

thesuperbigfrog 6y ago

Python has turtle graphics: https://docs.python.org/3/library/turtle.html https://docs.python.org/3/library/turtle.html

manojlds 6y ago

It was my first programming language as well, here in India. Around 1996s had it in school.

lewisjoe 6y ago
Brings back memories of those huge monitors with the turtle on the screen ;) They were magical back then.

082349872349872 6y ago

Not only does "Shelly" reference the LOGO turtle, but LOGO itself was probably referencing Grey Walter's tortoise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQE82derooc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQE82derooc

grugagag 6y ago

Same here. Logo was my first programming language at 9 or 10 back in 1989 in eastern Europe. Long live Logo. Kids nowadays ought to have a similar intro

a_imho 6y ago
Logo was such a common denominator when I was in primary. Two decades later I was sent a resume with Logo skills listed, it was an obvious inside joke, but picking up on it ensured we started off on the very right foot.

nitnelave 6y ago

I remember when teaching a subset of LOGO that we wanted a cool input program for students. So I built reverse logo [1] to turn an image (black-and-white, contiguous) into a logo program that draws it. [1]: https://github.com/nitnelave/reverse-logo https://github.com/nitnelave/reverse-logo

vlz 6y ago

> This is a great tool to teach kids programming! One would think so! It was taught at our school (didn't take the course myself, about 15 years old at the time) and I only remember my classmates complaining, that it was boring. Some of them wanted to learn "real programming" instead. Drawing shapes with a turtle felt overly childish and pedagogic even then.

piracy1 6y ago
I think it's a good introduction but would be very boring to stay focused on for any length of time. But my first thought upon seeing this was if someone, especially a younger person wanted to go from 0 knowledge of programming to a little bit, just get the idea of what it's like so they can see it's not magic, this would be a great start.
Wowfunhappy 6y ago
I think 15 is too old to teach Logo. It works better when the kids are ten years old or so.