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1 in 5 Ballots Rejected as Fraud Is Charged in N.J. Mail-In Election: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is

1 in 5 Ballots Rejected as Fraud Is Charged in N.J. Mail-In Election: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5... Many other stories like this. What's alarming is that the democrats tried to push through a bill that eliminated the state laws for voter integrity for all mail in ballots across states: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/12/democrats-coronavirus-bill-would-eliminate-states-/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/12/democrats-c... So if this has become law, what would have stopped China from printing a bunch of ballots and sending in them? Nothing. The media told us that mail in ballot fraud was non existent. Then when the cases started to reveal this was a false narrative, the media moved the goal posts and said "oh it happens, but only happens by republicans." It's just an ever changing set of goal posts. It's very clear for those of us paying attention that mail in ballot fraud is the MAIN vector of voter fraud now. Those that proclaim this doesn't exist are naive or willfully deceptive. The idea that you can vote without an ID is really unprecedented in the whole world. The united states is special in that it allows it at all. But this is quickly changing. Tick Tock.

DarkWiiPlayer 6y ago
I just hope digital voting becomes a thing soon enough. Yes there are still some unsolved problems, but I don't think they're unsolvable. Cryptography is a thing.
EarthMephit 6y ago
We recently had a successful voluntary postal ballot on gay marriage here in Australia No reports of fraud that I know of - A handful of people trying to steal ballots, but they were just invalidated and sent out again
coolgeek 6y ago
So here's the thing - thousands of Republicans and conservatives have made claims of widespread vote/voter fraud. I'm not aware of a single claim that withstood scrutiny or that was even attempted to prosecute, let alone done so successfully. I'm not talking about isolated instances. That certainly has happened. I'm talking enough fraud to actually change an election. And I'm going to restrict you to the state or federal level, as I wouldn't be surprised that it happens at the local/county level in some hick outposts. So what do ya got? Show me an election that was actually affected by widespread fraud.
- manigandham 6y ago
  This isn’t a right-wing situation but a real valid concern given plenty of reports between gerrymandering, polling center availability and security, chain of custody, paper processing, electronic machine hacks, suspect company backgrounds, etc. The major problem is you can’t measure it in the first place because there is no truth set. Unless you can follow up with every single individual and confirm their vote, you dont have the data.
  - coolgeek 6y ago
    > gerrymandering, polling center availability and security, chain of custody, paper processing, electronic machine hacks, suspect company backgrounds These are all important concerns, but they have absolutely nothing to do with vote fraud. The first two are voter suppression activities. The last four are election fraud, which is a very different thing than voter fraud. The notion that you have to follow up with every single voter is absurd. You can statistically sample anywhere you suspect (imagine) that fraud transpired and dig deeper in areas where you get hits. OP's first article even cites Rick Hasen who notes that there were only 491 prosecutions for absentee ballot fraud between 2000-2012. There is no widespread vote fraud problem. There hasn't been for decades
    - manigandham 6y ago
      > "There is no widespread vote fraud problem. There hasn't been for decades" This is absolutely unproven. And absentee ballots are not the only way people vote, with prosecutions are only those who are caught and convicted. Here's a list of 1071 proven instances (more than twice) from the very first search on the subject: https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/p... There is no way to know what the real votes are supposed to be unless you confirm with the person who voted. Whether you want to call it election fraud or voting fraud, it's the same problem because you don't know it occurred unless you have the ground truth to check against. There is no mass confirmation stage for votes to be able to gather this data and thus it's completely unknown.

DarkWiiPlayer 6y ago

I just hope digital voting becomes a thing soon enough. Yes there are still some unsolved problems, but I don't think they're unsolvable. Cryptography is a thing.

EarthMephit 6y ago

We recently had a successful voluntary postal ballot on gay marriage here in Australia No reports of fraud that I know of - A handful of people trying to steal ballots, but they were just invalidated and sent out again

coolgeek 6y ago

So here's the thing - thousands of Republicans and conservatives have made claims of widespread vote/voter fraud. I'm not aware of a single claim that withstood scrutiny or that was even attempted to prosecute, let alone done so successfully. I'm not talking about isolated instances. That certainly has happened. I'm talking enough fraud to actually change an election. And I'm going to restrict you to the state or federal level, as I wouldn't be surprised that it happens at the local/county level in some hick outposts. So what do ya got? Show me an election that was actually affected by widespread fraud.

manigandham 6y ago
This isn’t a right-wing situation but a real valid concern given plenty of reports between gerrymandering, polling center availability and security, chain of custody, paper processing, electronic machine hacks, suspect company backgrounds, etc. The major problem is you can’t measure it in the first place because there is no truth set. Unless you can follow up with every single individual and confirm their vote, you dont have the data.
- coolgeek 6y ago
  > gerrymandering, polling center availability and security, chain of custody, paper processing, electronic machine hacks, suspect company backgrounds These are all important concerns, but they have absolutely nothing to do with vote fraud. The first two are voter suppression activities. The last four are election fraud, which is a very different thing than voter fraud. The notion that you have to follow up with every single voter is absurd. You can statistically sample anywhere you suspect (imagine) that fraud transpired and dig deeper in areas where you get hits. OP's first article even cites Rick Hasen who notes that there were only 491 prosecutions for absentee ballot fraud between 2000-2012. There is no widespread vote fraud problem. There hasn't been for decades
  - manigandham 6y ago
    > "There is no widespread vote fraud problem. There hasn't been for decades" This is absolutely unproven. And absentee ballots are not the only way people vote, with prosecutions are only those who are caught and convicted. Here's a list of 1071 proven instances (more than twice) from the very first search on the subject: https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/p... There is no way to know what the real votes are supposed to be unless you confirm with the person who voted. Whether you want to call it election fraud or voting fraud, it's the same problem because you don't know it occurred unless you have the ground truth to check against. There is no mass confirmation stage for votes to be able to gather this data and thus it's completely unknown.