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Oh there's significant structural differences between cruise ships and ocean liners. Ocean liner's bow is strengthened for travel in adverse seas, and the stern

Oh there's significant structural differences between cruise ships and ocean liners. Ocean liner's bow is strengthened for travel in adverse seas, and the stern is cupped rather than box-shaped to reduce roll. The superstructure is tapered for better balance, and the engines are optimized for power / speed moreso than vibration / comfort. They're more expensive than cruise ships as a result. See: https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-ocean-liner-and-vs-cruise-ship/ https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-ocean-l...

lmm 6y ago
Then presumably those ships doing Vancouver-Hawaii are "ocean liners" in that sense, and the QM2 is by no means "the last running ocean liner on Earth"?
- mmphosis 6y ago
  With the exception of RMS Queen Mary 2 (Cunard Line: 2004-present), the ocean liner is nearly extinct. https://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-last-surviving-transatlantic-ocean-liners-1691853406 https://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-last-surviving-transatlan...
  - lmm 6y ago
    You don't seem to have engaged with the discussion. This was claimed two or three posts back, but what does it actually mean? Plenty of passenger ships - to give a concrete example, the Spirit class - routinely make transoceanic crossings at a reasonable speed following schedules published years in advance. Perhaps a little slower than the QM2. Perhaps with slightly more onboard amenities. But I can see no clear distinction that justifies this talk of the QM2 being somehow "the last" and qualitatively different from these other ships that do very much the same thing in practice.
    - richthegeek 6y ago
      It was explained wasn't it? The design parameters are different, as the purpose is different (transportation rather than leisure). "Bob is the last sheep" "But I see all these four-legged ruminants wandering around eating grass, what about them?" "Those are goats" "You don't seem to have engaged with the discussion..."
      - lmm 6y ago
        I responded to that, and then grandparent just reverted to a blank assertion. It's more like: "Bob is the last sheep" "But I see all these four-legged ruminants wandering around eating grass, what about them?" "Those are goats" "We're shearing them and gathering wool from them; doesn't that make them sheep?" "Bob is the last sheep" "You don't seem to have engaged with the discussion..."

lmm 6y ago

Then presumably those ships doing Vancouver-Hawaii are "ocean liners" in that sense, and the QM2 is by no means "the last running ocean liner on Earth"?

mmphosis 6y ago
With the exception of RMS Queen Mary 2 (Cunard Line: 2004-present), the ocean liner is nearly extinct. https://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-last-surviving-transatlantic-ocean-liners-1691853406 https://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-last-surviving-transatlan...
- lmm 6y ago
  You don't seem to have engaged with the discussion. This was claimed two or three posts back, but what does it actually mean? Plenty of passenger ships - to give a concrete example, the Spirit class - routinely make transoceanic crossings at a reasonable speed following schedules published years in advance. Perhaps a little slower than the QM2. Perhaps with slightly more onboard amenities. But I can see no clear distinction that justifies this talk of the QM2 being somehow "the last" and qualitatively different from these other ships that do very much the same thing in practice.
  - richthegeek 6y ago
    It was explained wasn't it? The design parameters are different, as the purpose is different (transportation rather than leisure). "Bob is the last sheep" "But I see all these four-legged ruminants wandering around eating grass, what about them?" "Those are goats" "You don't seem to have engaged with the discussion..."
    - lmm 6y ago
      I responded to that, and then grandparent just reverted to a blank assertion. It's more like: "Bob is the last sheep" "But I see all these four-legged ruminants wandering around eating grass, what about them?" "Those are goats" "We're shearing them and gathering wool from them; doesn't that make them sheep?" "Bob is the last sheep" "You don't seem to have engaged with the discussion..."