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Isn’t most crime journalism the same? Three examples from the front page of the NY post right now. I am having a hard time figuring out how to distinguish thi

Isn’t most crime journalism the same? Three examples from the front page of the NY post right now. I am having a hard time figuring out how to distinguish this and the OP doxxing. The organizationS fact-checking process? Solidness of the evidence? > Allegations were made against longtime radio broadcaster Larry Michael (retired Wednesday), director of pro personnel Alex Santos (fired last week), assistant director of pro personnel Richard Mann II (fired last week), former COO Mitch Gershman (left in 2015) and former president of business operations Dennis Greene (left in 2018). > Chanice Reyes, 24, was busted around 5 a.m. Thursday, sources said, when cops investigated a strong smell of marijuana coming from a car near City Hall, where anti-police activists have been gathering in recent weeks. > Tory Lanez, whose real name is Daystar Peterson, was the person who allegedly shot Megan Thee Stallion following a dispute inside his vehicle Sunday morning, Page Six has learned.

ziddoap 6y ago
There isn't a difference. Newspapers seem to dox people with impunity. It doesn't make it right, nor desirable, nor an excuse for others to follow suit. The number of lives ruined by false allegations that have been amplified through press/journalists is disgusting.
jacquesm 6y ago
It is in the United States. In other countries until conviction only initials are used. This to avoid ruining people's lives (or even endangering them) in case an allegation turns out not to be true.
- Ekaros 6y ago
  We don't even do initials here for regular people. Usually it's some vague age and gender. Maybe ethnicity if relevant.
mc32 6y ago
One difference is that these people are being accused by civil authorities --not some "rando" who moonlights as cyberpolice. He's not acting in an official capacity and doesn't have the imprimatur of the state.
- nuclearnice1 6y ago
  I didn’t look closely but the first example I think is a non-state accusation. But interesting line to attempt to draw. I look at the media as a counter to the power of the state. So I worry about an arrangement where media can’t name people without state approval. But perhaps my view is archaic?
  - mc32 6y ago
    I get what you're saying but the state here is often the official record for things. These kinds of government records are open and searchable in most cases. And to some extent they answer to the governed. You can get a new DA, mayor, etc. You can't fire an internet sleuth.
alacombe 6y ago
> Three examples from the front page of the NY post right now. So does the NY Times, cf. the whole Slate Star Codex failure...

ziddoap 6y ago

There isn't a difference. Newspapers seem to dox people with impunity. It doesn't make it right, nor desirable, nor an excuse for others to follow suit. The number of lives ruined by false allegations that have been amplified through press/journalists is disgusting.

jacquesm 6y ago

It is in the United States. In other countries until conviction only initials are used. This to avoid ruining people's lives (or even endangering them) in case an allegation turns out not to be true.

Ekaros 6y ago
We don't even do initials here for regular people. Usually it's some vague age and gender. Maybe ethnicity if relevant.

mc32 6y ago

One difference is that these people are being accused by civil authorities --not some "rando" who moonlights as cyberpolice. He's not acting in an official capacity and doesn't have the imprimatur of the state.

nuclearnice1 6y ago
I didn’t look closely but the first example I think is a non-state accusation. But interesting line to attempt to draw. I look at the media as a counter to the power of the state. So I worry about an arrangement where media can’t name people without state approval. But perhaps my view is archaic?
- mc32 6y ago
  I get what you're saying but the state here is often the official record for things. These kinds of government records are open and searchable in most cases. And to some extent they answer to the governed. You can get a new DA, mayor, etc. You can't fire an internet sleuth.

alacombe 6y ago

> Three examples from the front page of the NY post right now. So does the NY Times, cf. the whole Slate Star Codex failure...