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It depends on the motivation, if it was ideologically motivated I would be outraged at the ideology that lead to it and people justifying it, just like I would

It depends on the motivation, if it was ideologically motivated I would be outraged at the ideology that lead to it and people justifying it, just like I would be outraged at state of high school sports that lead to a coach doing this and people defending that. But I sort of agree, there is no proof this is ideological (in fact it sounds just as likely that the doctor was experimenting), the other guy is spinning it his way as well - I think you can say that without the need to defend/downplay the action.

catalogia 6y ago
> (in fact it sounds just as likely that the doctor was experimenting) I can think of another prison "doctor" who's known for "experimenting" on unwilling victims. Claiming to be doing experiments, yet without any hint of scientific rigor. If the claims made in the article are true, this guy belongs in prison no matter his excuse. Whether or not an ideological motivation can be proven or ruled out is completely irrelevant.
- rubber_duck 6y ago
  I should have put "experimenting" in quotes - just saying there is no evidence this is based on gender ideology so insinuating it is also spinning this in to ideological terms.
  - catalogia 6y ago
    > just saying there is no evidence this is based on gender ideology I agree with that. I think it was probably motivated by petty vindictiveness. I suspect most violence inflected by prison staff against prisoners is.
LyndsySimon 6y ago
Ah, this strikes right at the core of the primary differences underlying American society today. I don’t care at all what the doctor’s motivations were - I only care about their actions. In this case, those actions were taken without consent and had a significant negative impact on the patient. Whether they “meant well” or either of us agree with their motivation is completely irrelevant to me. I understand that others see it differently, and that’s fine. My observation is that this disconnect is almost always always unstated and caused a ton of misunderstandings.

catalogia 6y ago

> (in fact it sounds just as likely that the doctor was experimenting) I can think of another prison "doctor" who's known for "experimenting" on unwilling victims. Claiming to be doing experiments, yet without any hint of scientific rigor. If the claims made in the article are true, this guy belongs in prison no matter his excuse. Whether or not an ideological motivation can be proven or ruled out is completely irrelevant.

rubber_duck 6y ago
I should have put "experimenting" in quotes - just saying there is no evidence this is based on gender ideology so insinuating it is also spinning this in to ideological terms.
- catalogia 6y ago
  > just saying there is no evidence this is based on gender ideology I agree with that. I think it was probably motivated by petty vindictiveness. I suspect most violence inflected by prison staff against prisoners is.

LyndsySimon 6y ago

Ah, this strikes right at the core of the primary differences underlying American society today. I don’t care at all what the doctor’s motivations were - I only care about their actions. In this case, those actions were taken without consent and had a significant negative impact on the patient. Whether they “meant well” or either of us agree with their motivation is completely irrelevant to me. I understand that others see it differently, and that’s fine. My observation is that this disconnect is almost always always unstated and caused a ton of misunderstandings.