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How is it possible that the USA can be so rich, and so poor at the same time? How can any body sleep at night?

by worik 6y ago

manicdee 6y ago
What they don’t know doesn’t keep them up at night.
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- the_snooze 6y ago
  In the pre-virus times, I'd push back against rhetoric like this. Not anymore.
- 65536 6y ago
  And they convince themselves that anyone who is struggling is struggling because of being lazy and not working hard enough. That country could use a good dose of compassion for their fellow humans. But instead they prefer to dehumanize others, and regard others as little more than wild animals.
  - dang 6y ago
    If you post nationalistic flamebait like this, or other flamebait this egregious, to HN again, we will ban you. Also, please don't routinely create accounts. This is also in the site guidelines. You needn't use your real name, of course, but for HN to be a community, users need some identity for other users to relate to. Otherwise we may as well have no usernames and no community, and that would be a different kind of forum. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix&page=0&query=by:dang%20community%20identity https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - 65536 6y ago
      Sorry, I didn’t mean to be nationalistic, I am just frustrated with the world.
- deleted 6y ago
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  - mleonhard 6y ago
    I apologize. Would it have been better if I had added that I am an American who lives in America? I don't see a comment delete option. Would you delete it for me, please?
    - Gibbon1 6y ago
      That truth isn't allowed here
candiodari 6y ago
So the point is that youth protection scandals involving experimenting with medication on unwilling children are rare anywhere ? (even with the youth protection officials getting paid for it) Ok let's check. Did youth protection do medical experiments on unwilling patients (and by that we mean that BOTH the child and the parent were not asked for permission, and very often not informed at all): US: aside from this incident, there have been many others [3], including youth protection services specifically [5] Netherlands: yep (and the officials got paid by Janssens Pharmaceutica) [1] Belgium: yes [2] Germany/Austria: jawohl [4] And if you consider untried psychological treatments as medical experiments as well, and they can certainly have extreme negative consequence, then we should perhaps just say that every kid in youth protection gets experimented on, as this is very close to the truth. If you think this is the worst they did, you should not Google "aversion therapy LGBTQ youth protection". That was a psychological "treatment" for not being straight that included torture, on purpose. Note that they still treat unwilling children for not being straight. Google "Gender identity disorder treatments" for example. What any sane person would call torture is still being used (ABA, for example). And let's not forget what ritalin, official treatment for a whole range of (often misdiagnosed) conditions given to children. It is often compared to cocaine, for good reason. Nobody can be trusted with power over other people's children. Certainly not psychiatrists, who have a LONG history of abuse centuries old, with essentially constant scandals continuing even today. [1] https://www.socialevraagstukken.nl/experimenten-met-psychofarma-in-de-jeugdzorg-waren-in-nederland-heel-gewoon/ https://www.socialevraagstukken.nl/experimenten-met-psychofa... (it continued, at least, into 2016) [2] https://lib.ugent.be/fulltxt/RUG01/001/392/898/RUG01-001392898_2010_0001_AC.pdf https://lib.ugent.be/fulltxt/RUG01/001/392/898/RUG01-0013928... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentatio... [4] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05112-1 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05112-1 [5] http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7736157/ns/health-aids/t/government-tested-aids-drugs-foster-kids/ http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7736157/ns/health-aids/t/governmen...
dang 6y ago
Please don't post unsubstantive comments like this. It just leads to flamewar, which we don't want here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

How is it possible that the USA can be so rich, and so poor at the same time? How can any body sleep at night?

by worik 6y ago

How is it possible that the USA can be so rich, and so poor at the same time? How can any body sleep at night?

manicdee 6y ago

What they don’t know doesn’t keep them up at night.

deleted 6y ago

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the_snooze 6y ago
In the pre-virus times, I'd push back against rhetoric like this. Not anymore.
65536 6y ago
And they convince themselves that anyone who is struggling is struggling because of being lazy and not working hard enough. That country could use a good dose of compassion for their fellow humans. But instead they prefer to dehumanize others, and regard others as little more than wild animals.
- dang 6y ago
  If you post nationalistic flamebait like this, or other flamebait this egregious, to HN again, we will ban you. Also, please don't routinely create accounts. This is also in the site guidelines. You needn't use your real name, of course, but for HN to be a community, users need some identity for other users to relate to. Otherwise we may as well have no usernames and no community, and that would be a different kind of forum. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix&page=0&query=by:dang%20community%20identity https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - 65536 6y ago
    Sorry, I didn’t mean to be nationalistic, I am just frustrated with the world.
deleted 6y ago
[deleted]
- mleonhard 6y ago
  I apologize. Would it have been better if I had added that I am an American who lives in America? I don't see a comment delete option. Would you delete it for me, please?
  - Gibbon1 6y ago
    That truth isn't allowed here

candiodari 6y ago

So the point is that youth protection scandals involving experimenting with medication on unwilling children are rare anywhere ? (even with the youth protection officials getting paid for it) Ok let's check. Did youth protection do medical experiments on unwilling patients (and by that we mean that BOTH the child and the parent were not asked for permission, and very often not informed at all): US: aside from this incident, there have been many others [3], including youth protection services specifically [5] Netherlands: yep (and the officials got paid by Janssens Pharmaceutica) [1] Belgium: yes [2] Germany/Austria: jawohl [4] And if you consider untried psychological treatments as medical experiments as well, and they can certainly have extreme negative consequence, then we should perhaps just say that every kid in youth protection gets experimented on, as this is very close to the truth. If you think this is the worst they did, you should not Google "aversion therapy LGBTQ youth protection". That was a psychological "treatment" for not being straight that included torture, on purpose. Note that they still treat unwilling children for not being straight. Google "Gender identity disorder treatments" for example. What any sane person would call torture is still being used (ABA, for example). And let's not forget what ritalin, official treatment for a whole range of (often misdiagnosed) conditions given to children. It is often compared to cocaine, for good reason. Nobody can be trusted with power over other people's children. Certainly not psychiatrists, who have a LONG history of abuse centuries old, with essentially constant scandals continuing even today. [1] https://www.socialevraagstukken.nl/experimenten-met-psychofarma-in-de-jeugdzorg-waren-in-nederland-heel-gewoon/ https://www.socialevraagstukken.nl/experimenten-met-psychofa... (it continued, at least, into 2016) [2] https://lib.ugent.be/fulltxt/RUG01/001/392/898/RUG01-001392898_2010_0001_AC.pdf https://lib.ugent.be/fulltxt/RUG01/001/392/898/RUG01-0013928... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentatio... [4] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05112-1 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05112-1 [5] http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7736157/ns/health-aids/t/government-tested-aids-drugs-foster-kids/ http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7736157/ns/health-aids/t/governmen...

dang 6y ago

Please don't post unsubstantive comments like this. It just leads to flamewar, which we don't want here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html