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FTA: Ouchi said the boy, now 17, was released in April and will require surgery to treat the physical issues he developed as a result of the estrogen treatment

FTA: Ouchi said the boy, now 17, was released in April and will require surgery to treat the physical issues he developed as a result of the estrogen treatment. ... The boy’s father said the hormone therapy has had a long-term effect on his son, who now scares easily and has become antisocial. “He’s like a different person. He just wants to be in his room, and he don’t come out for nothing, all day in his room,” the father said. “He was never like that.”

slg 6y ago
>“He’s like a different person. He just wants to be in his room, and he don’t come out for nothing, all day in his room,” the father said. “He was never like that.” What I am about to say is in no way a defense of the doctor or his actions. What percentage of parents would say this exact same thing about their teenage children? It is perfectly normal behavior and I'm not sure there is anything to link it to the unnecessary hormones forced on the unfortunate kid.
pengaru 6y ago
> The boy’s father said the hormone therapy has had a long-term effect on his son, who now scares easily and has become antisocial. “He’s like a different person. He just wants to be in his room, and he don’t come out for nothing, all day in his room,” the father said. “He was never like that.” How could one possibly discern this from the effects of going through juvie in general. I'd certainly feel betrayed by society, regardless of what meds I was given.
- hirundo 6y ago
  An adolescent boy grows breasts and then wants to stay in his room all day. It could well be all about body shame, trying to protect himself from social trauma. The rate of suicide among people who transition on purpose is so extremely high. What must it be among people who are transitioned by force.
  - jauer 6y ago
    Giving someone the wrong hormones is one way to induce gender dysphoria in non-trans people, so suicide rate there should be similar to that of trans people with unmanaged gender dysphoria. Suicide rates among people who transition are generally correlated with minority stress [1,2], not transition itself: "The myth that transition leads to SITBs continues to be used to deny transgender health care access and legislative rights, despite a lack of empirical support for this position and repeated research debunking it." (SITB= suicidal thoughts and behaviors) [3] 1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6813817/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6813817/ 2: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/ 3: https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/trgh.2019.0009 https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/trgh.2019.0009
    - esyir 6y ago
      Probably worse. It's not just going through dysphoria, it's having it forced upon you via coercion.
      - fwip 6y ago
        Coercion is also how society forces trans people to pretend to be the wrong gender.

slg 6y ago

>“He’s like a different person. He just wants to be in his room, and he don’t come out for nothing, all day in his room,” the father said. “He was never like that.” What I am about to say is in no way a defense of the doctor or his actions. What percentage of parents would say this exact same thing about their teenage children? It is perfectly normal behavior and I'm not sure there is anything to link it to the unnecessary hormones forced on the unfortunate kid.

pengaru 6y ago

> The boy’s father said the hormone therapy has had a long-term effect on his son, who now scares easily and has become antisocial. “He’s like a different person. He just wants to be in his room, and he don’t come out for nothing, all day in his room,” the father said. “He was never like that.” How could one possibly discern this from the effects of going through juvie in general. I'd certainly feel betrayed by society, regardless of what meds I was given.

hirundo 6y ago
An adolescent boy grows breasts and then wants to stay in his room all day. It could well be all about body shame, trying to protect himself from social trauma. The rate of suicide among people who transition on purpose is so extremely high. What must it be among people who are transitioned by force.
- jauer 6y ago
  Giving someone the wrong hormones is one way to induce gender dysphoria in non-trans people, so suicide rate there should be similar to that of trans people with unmanaged gender dysphoria. Suicide rates among people who transition are generally correlated with minority stress [1,2], not transition itself: "The myth that transition leads to SITBs continues to be used to deny transgender health care access and legislative rights, despite a lack of empirical support for this position and repeated research debunking it." (SITB= suicidal thoughts and behaviors) [3] 1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6813817/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6813817/ 2: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/ 3: https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/trgh.2019.0009 https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/trgh.2019.0009
  - esyir 6y ago
    Probably worse. It's not just going through dysphoria, it's having it forced upon you via coercion.
    - fwip 6y ago
      Coercion is also how society forces trans people to pretend to be the wrong gender.