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Hmm wonder why you are getting downvoted for a well-written question about what data is important.

VRay 6y ago
It's kind of an underhanded trick where the guy is redirecting the conversation to something else. I'd probably prefer that people meet him head on and debunk him instead of downvoting him into oblivion, but I don't blame people for just booting his bad-faith argument out of the conversation. To meet with the comment head-on: You assert that nobody is supporting a family on minimum wage, so there's no reason to increase the minimum wage or have social welfare programs that help people on minimum wage. That's not true. A lot of people are stuck at minimum wage and supporting themselves and supporting families on it. You can go off the rails here and assert that "Any competent adult should be able to ..", and maybe it's true. But that argument is a VERY slippery slope. Personally, I think that anyone posting on this site SHOULD be able to go out and snag a job that pays well over 400k a year if they work hard and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Actually I think that most of the people here should be able to start a valuable startup and become millionaires. I'm not going to roll in and take a dump on someone if they can't pull it off, though.
- tathougies 6y ago
  It's not an underhanded trick. Please respond to the most charitable interpretation of my comment, as per HN guidelines. > To meet with the comment head-on: You assert that nobody is supporting a family on minimum wage, so there's no reason to increase the minimum wage or have social welfare programs that help people on minimum wage. That's not at all what I'm trying to insinuate. I even said that: > I'm most interested in what percentage of those with dependents are working minimum wage jobs and what percentage of those that started out with minimum wage jobs have been unable to increase their earnings. MY guess is that these numbers are also terrible, but this is the thing to get down. I literally said that I bet the numbers that I'm interested in will likely show that there are too many people with dependents working minimum wage jobs. That doesn't mean we shouldn't track the data. That is what shows us what will help. Please respond in good faith.....

VRay 6y ago

It's kind of an underhanded trick where the guy is redirecting the conversation to something else. I'd probably prefer that people meet him head on and debunk him instead of downvoting him into oblivion, but I don't blame people for just booting his bad-faith argument out of the conversation. To meet with the comment head-on: You assert that nobody is supporting a family on minimum wage, so there's no reason to increase the minimum wage or have social welfare programs that help people on minimum wage. That's not true. A lot of people are stuck at minimum wage and supporting themselves and supporting families on it. You can go off the rails here and assert that "Any competent adult should be able to ..", and maybe it's true. But that argument is a VERY slippery slope. Personally, I think that anyone posting on this site SHOULD be able to go out and snag a job that pays well over 400k a year if they work hard and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Actually I think that most of the people here should be able to start a valuable startup and become millionaires. I'm not going to roll in and take a dump on someone if they can't pull it off, though.

tathougies 6y ago
It's not an underhanded trick. Please respond to the most charitable interpretation of my comment, as per HN guidelines. > To meet with the comment head-on: You assert that nobody is supporting a family on minimum wage, so there's no reason to increase the minimum wage or have social welfare programs that help people on minimum wage. That's not at all what I'm trying to insinuate. I even said that: > I'm most interested in what percentage of those with dependents are working minimum wage jobs and what percentage of those that started out with minimum wage jobs have been unable to increase their earnings. MY guess is that these numbers are also terrible, but this is the thing to get down. I literally said that I bet the numbers that I'm interested in will likely show that there are too many people with dependents working minimum wage jobs. That doesn't mean we shouldn't track the data. That is what shows us what will help. Please respond in good faith.....