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This reads like the plot of a dystopian young adult sci-fi novel. Children who resist authority being diagnosed with a "behavioural disorder" and being forcibly

This reads like the plot of a dystopian young adult sci-fi novel. Children who resist authority being diagnosed with a "behavioural disorder" and being forcibly given hormones by an evil doctor. Yet apparently this is the reality of modern society.

leesec 6y ago
one flew over the cuckoos nest?
- throwaway_USD 6y ago
  Its funny you cite the novel whereas the author, psychedelic guru Ken Kesey, based the book off his real life experience working as a nurses aid in a psychiatric ward while simultaneously being part of a CIA program testing hallucinogens. For those unfamiliar with the back story of the novel, Kesey conceived the plot and characters while tripping on peyote while at work in the ward...his revelation being the patients were the sane ones and the workers enforcing the rules where insane, which was a metaphor for the modern dystopia he lived in. Times Magazine described it as: "a roar of protest against middlebrow society's Rules and the invisible Rulers who enforce them."
xiphias2 6y ago
I believe it has been happening all the time, not just in modern society, we just have better information about it.
dsun179 6y ago
I remember when I had "strange behaviors" as young boy. Some times later i was circumcised. 30 years later I still suffer from it. I want to get kids soon. I hope they get a strange as I was. Stupid, funny, dangerous.
- __blockcipher__ 6y ago
  You might already be aware, but it is possible to reclaim most of what was lost via the principle of tissue expansion. It’s called foreskin restoration and allows you to regrow basically everything except the frenulum/ridged band. It’s time-consuming and takes awhile to learn how to tug properly, and in a certain sense can be psychologically painful to go through, but the results I’ve personally seen so far have been very encouraging. Sorry again to hear what happened to you.
  - restorer 6y ago
    Off topic, but I have always felt like something was taken from me re: my circumsion as a child. Do you have any resources or guides you recommend on restoration? I've looked in to manual tugging and some of the stretching devices. The devices don't seem practical to wear around discreetly on a day to day basis, and I haven't gotten manual technique to show results yet.
    - __blockcipher__ 6y ago
      I haven’t tried devices. I mainly do MM3 (andre’s method) and MM2. It took me quite some time to learn how to tug effectively. Results are very slow and I started from a very tight cut. I’m still not even at a “loose cut” level so I have quite a bit left to go. Not sure if you’ve heard of it, but red light therapy makes a big difference in the rate of tissue expansion. http://www.jmbe.org.tw/files/1641/public/1641-4366-1-PB.pdf http://www.jmbe.org.tw/files/1641/public/1641-4366-1-PB.pdf I think adding RLT to manual methods will drastically improve your results. Just a couple sessions of fairly high intensity RLT a day does wonders. —- TL;DR: like you I’m still figuring things out. But I’m pretty encouraged overall.
- notdang 6y ago
  Careful with your wishes. The school doesn't like strange students. Depends in what country you live, but in the country I live it's solved with money, send the kid to a private school and the school will swallow everything as long as you pay.
PragmaticPulp 6y ago
> Yet apparently this is the reality of modern society. This news article exists because it’s an exception, not the rule. Don’t confuse this with normal or common treatment. Even one case is too many, obviously, but it’s not the norm.
- dvtrn 6y ago
  Don’t confuse this with normal or common treatment What are these normal treatments? Pharmaceuticals like Ritalin and Adderall? Asking because I don’t know not that I’m taking this anywhere, but when people talk about behavioral control of children acting out of line with some kind of “norm”, I’m uneducated as to what the norm is or what the status quo for this is. What I do know (via anecdotes of having sister who works in childhood behavioral science), medicating kids was for a long time the norm and is being harshly critiqued and challenge more recently, but I admit not really bothering to look into this much further.
  - pseudalopex 6y ago
    The article says ODD is normally treated with therapy.
  - dmix 6y ago
    > medicating kids was for a long time the norm and is being harshly critiqued and challenge more recently My mom bought into this stuff in the 1990s and I never had proper treatment as a child. Only until I was an adult and saw a doctor myself was I properly diagnosed. The medication was a life-saver in my 20s. As much as pro-pharma stuff is being pushed behind closed doors there's also tons of pseudoscience "appeals to nature" fallacies [1] being pushed in all public channels, where all chemicals are treated with suspicion. I wish there was more of a balance in the media, because this anti-pharma narrative is everywhere now. I'm not surprised this manifested into anti-vaxxers. Anyone saying that medication as a solution is still treated with reverence in popular discourse is deceiving themselves. Doctors have all heard the stories by now too. But that also doesn't mean doctors haven't played a big role in this, including those who massively over-prescribed painkillers, benzos, and antidepressants in the last few decades - which have help distract from all the real positive benefits they provide. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature
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anonAndOn 6y ago
It could be worse. There was a time when it was possible to give defiant children 'icepick lobotomies'. [0] [0]https://www.npr.org/2005/11/16/5014080/my-lobotomy-howard-dullys-journey https://www.npr.org/2005/11/16/5014080/my-lobotomy-howard-du...
microcolonel 6y ago
Reminds me of that time Berlin decided to deliberately house orphan children with convicted pedophiles, positing that the “attention” of the older male would be good for them.
- grugagag 6y ago
  > Berlin decided to deliberately house orphan children with convicted pedophiles, positing that the “attention” of the older male would be good for them. Perpahps who was behind the board that made this decision was a group of (infiltrated) pedophiles
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leesec 6y ago

one flew over the cuckoos nest?

throwaway_USD 6y ago
Its funny you cite the novel whereas the author, psychedelic guru Ken Kesey, based the book off his real life experience working as a nurses aid in a psychiatric ward while simultaneously being part of a CIA program testing hallucinogens. For those unfamiliar with the back story of the novel, Kesey conceived the plot and characters while tripping on peyote while at work in the ward...his revelation being the patients were the sane ones and the workers enforcing the rules where insane, which was a metaphor for the modern dystopia he lived in. Times Magazine described it as: "a roar of protest against middlebrow society's Rules and the invisible Rulers who enforce them."

xiphias2 6y ago

I believe it has been happening all the time, not just in modern society, we just have better information about it.

dsun179 6y ago

I remember when I had "strange behaviors" as young boy. Some times later i was circumcised. 30 years later I still suffer from it. I want to get kids soon. I hope they get a strange as I was. Stupid, funny, dangerous.

__blockcipher__ 6y ago
You might already be aware, but it is possible to reclaim most of what was lost via the principle of tissue expansion. It’s called foreskin restoration and allows you to regrow basically everything except the frenulum/ridged band. It’s time-consuming and takes awhile to learn how to tug properly, and in a certain sense can be psychologically painful to go through, but the results I’ve personally seen so far have been very encouraging. Sorry again to hear what happened to you.
- restorer 6y ago
  Off topic, but I have always felt like something was taken from me re: my circumsion as a child. Do you have any resources or guides you recommend on restoration? I've looked in to manual tugging and some of the stretching devices. The devices don't seem practical to wear around discreetly on a day to day basis, and I haven't gotten manual technique to show results yet.
  - __blockcipher__ 6y ago
    I haven’t tried devices. I mainly do MM3 (andre’s method) and MM2. It took me quite some time to learn how to tug effectively. Results are very slow and I started from a very tight cut. I’m still not even at a “loose cut” level so I have quite a bit left to go. Not sure if you’ve heard of it, but red light therapy makes a big difference in the rate of tissue expansion. http://www.jmbe.org.tw/files/1641/public/1641-4366-1-PB.pdf http://www.jmbe.org.tw/files/1641/public/1641-4366-1-PB.pdf I think adding RLT to manual methods will drastically improve your results. Just a couple sessions of fairly high intensity RLT a day does wonders. —- TL;DR: like you I’m still figuring things out. But I’m pretty encouraged overall.
notdang 6y ago
Careful with your wishes. The school doesn't like strange students. Depends in what country you live, but in the country I live it's solved with money, send the kid to a private school and the school will swallow everything as long as you pay.

PragmaticPulp 6y ago

> Yet apparently this is the reality of modern society. This news article exists because it’s an exception, not the rule. Don’t confuse this with normal or common treatment. Even one case is too many, obviously, but it’s not the norm.

dvtrn 6y ago
Don’t confuse this with normal or common treatment What are these normal treatments? Pharmaceuticals like Ritalin and Adderall? Asking because I don’t know not that I’m taking this anywhere, but when people talk about behavioral control of children acting out of line with some kind of “norm”, I’m uneducated as to what the norm is or what the status quo for this is. What I do know (via anecdotes of having sister who works in childhood behavioral science), medicating kids was for a long time the norm and is being harshly critiqued and challenge more recently, but I admit not really bothering to look into this much further.
- pseudalopex 6y ago
  The article says ODD is normally treated with therapy.
- dmix 6y ago
  > medicating kids was for a long time the norm and is being harshly critiqued and challenge more recently My mom bought into this stuff in the 1990s and I never had proper treatment as a child. Only until I was an adult and saw a doctor myself was I properly diagnosed. The medication was a life-saver in my 20s. As much as pro-pharma stuff is being pushed behind closed doors there's also tons of pseudoscience "appeals to nature" fallacies [1] being pushed in all public channels, where all chemicals are treated with suspicion. I wish there was more of a balance in the media, because this anti-pharma narrative is everywhere now. I'm not surprised this manifested into anti-vaxxers. Anyone saying that medication as a solution is still treated with reverence in popular discourse is deceiving themselves. Doctors have all heard the stories by now too. But that also doesn't mean doctors haven't played a big role in this, including those who massively over-prescribed painkillers, benzos, and antidepressants in the last few decades - which have help distract from all the real positive benefits they provide. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

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anonAndOn 6y ago

It could be worse. There was a time when it was possible to give defiant children 'icepick lobotomies'. [0] [0]https://www.npr.org/2005/11/16/5014080/my-lobotomy-howard-dullys-journey https://www.npr.org/2005/11/16/5014080/my-lobotomy-howard-du...

microcolonel 6y ago

Reminds me of that time Berlin decided to deliberately house orphan children with convicted pedophiles, positing that the “attention” of the older male would be good for them.

grugagag 6y ago
> Berlin decided to deliberately house orphan children with convicted pedophiles, positing that the “attention” of the older male would be good for them. Perpahps who was behind the board that made this decision was a group of (infiltrated) pedophiles

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