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> Prior to that, Ouchi said, his client felt compelled to take the pills because he feared that disobeying Wang would have a detrimental effect on his pending c

> Prior to that, Ouchi said, his client felt compelled to take the pills because he feared that disobeying Wang would have a detrimental effect on his pending criminal case. Makes you wonder what all kind of shady medical shit is done in jails and prisons.

heavyset_go 6y ago
> Makes you wonder what all kind of shady medical shit is done in jails and prisons. I've personally watched guards ignore diabetic patients in crisis, and heard them tell arrested, but not yet convicted, people to not declare any medical condition that they need medications for while in custody, because the cops didn't want to drive the arrested persons to the hospital and keep them under observation while they're prescribed the medication they need. If you don't declare any medical conditions during the intake process, and then you have a medical crisis while in custody because you don't have the medication you need to manage your condition, they aren't liable, and good luck convincing the cops to take you to a doctor. I've heard from case workers that the medical staff in prisons delight in purposely not treating, under-treating, or mistreating prisoners' medical conditions. They just throw anti-psychotics at people because those medications keep the prisoners sedated and compliant, despite the fact that APs have serious side-effects that can be permanent and disabling.
- worik 6y ago
  We have the opposite here (Otago, Aotearoa). I friend and neighbour of mine, on completing their nurses training, went to work at the local prison. The medical care they dispensed there was far above what the prisoners received out side. And we have a good general medical system. The guards may well have been sadistic when away from medical personnel, I cannot say. There are all sorts of problems of all sorts of different sorts - and if it bleeds it leads - but given that I despair at the reports I keep getting from the USA. ARe things realy getting that bad?
  - heavyset_go 6y ago
    > ARe things realy getting that bad? It's always been this bad, it's just that people who weren't given a voice now have some new means to be heard and are actually being listened to instead of having their experiences discounted and discarded.
    - worik 6y ago
      How is it possible that the USA can be so rich, and so poor at the same time? How can any body sleep at night?
      - manicdee 6y ago
        What they don’t know doesn’t keep them up at night.
      - deleted 6y ago
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        the_snooze 6y ago
        In the pre-virus times, I'd push back against rhetoric like this. Not anymore.
        65536 6y ago
        And they convince themselves that anyone who is struggling is struggling because of being lazy and not working hard enough. That country could use a good dose of compassion for their fellow humans. But instead they prefer to dehumanize others, and regard others as little more than wild animals.
        dang 6y ago
        If you post nationalistic flamebait like this, or other flamebait this egregious, to HN again, we will ban you. Also, please don't routinely create accounts. This is also in the site guidelines. You needn't use your real name, of course, but for HN to be a community, users need some identity for other users to relate to. Otherwise we may as well have no usernames and no community, and that would be a different kind of forum. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix&page=0&query=by:dang%20community%20identity https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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coronadisaster 6y ago
I have seen a cop order a medic to give sedative to a human that was being choked by said cops for more than 10 minutes (he was basically already dead when they injected him). Search for Tony Timpa on Youtube if you want to see the video. And they were joking while killing him. And last but not least, they all kept their jobs. All humans can be bastards.
- ponsin 6y ago
  source https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-E_i8Q5G0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-E_i8Q5G0 . The video is just as horrifying as the George Floyd video
- deleted 6y ago
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- dmix 6y ago
  > And last but not least, they all kept their jobs Police unions are some of the most powerful organizations. Not being able to fire bad actors is one of the worst parts of unions. I've never understood why there hasn't been a movement to reform them. Their coworkers get stuck with them too and bringing the whole unit down. Instead we're always sold some nostalgic narrative of past golden eras of unions. Glossing over all the warts and cruft built up over time. We're long overdue for modernized unions.
  - CryptoPunk 6y ago
    Even the nostalgic narrative of the past golden era of unions is, from what I've seen, mostly a creation of propaganda. The gains unions won for their members were worse than zero-sum, because they merely redistributed from profit (shareholder income) to worker income, while resulting in collective bargaining agreements that reduced the flexibility of the labor market. The violence they were involved in was almost universally started by them, as illegal action that violated the employer's right to their property, and replacement worker's right to work at their site, was their main source of leverage.
  - watwut 6y ago

heavyset_go 6y ago

> Makes you wonder what all kind of shady medical shit is done in jails and prisons. I've personally watched guards ignore diabetic patients in crisis, and heard them tell arrested, but not yet convicted, people to not declare any medical condition that they need medications for while in custody, because the cops didn't want to drive the arrested persons to the hospital and keep them under observation while they're prescribed the medication they need. If you don't declare any medical conditions during the intake process, and then you have a medical crisis while in custody because you don't have the medication you need to manage your condition, they aren't liable, and good luck convincing the cops to take you to a doctor. I've heard from case workers that the medical staff in prisons delight in purposely not treating, under-treating, or mistreating prisoners' medical conditions. They just throw anti-psychotics at people because those medications keep the prisoners sedated and compliant, despite the fact that APs have serious side-effects that can be permanent and disabling.

worik 6y ago
We have the opposite here (Otago, Aotearoa). I friend and neighbour of mine, on completing their nurses training, went to work at the local prison. The medical care they dispensed there was far above what the prisoners received out side. And we have a good general medical system. The guards may well have been sadistic when away from medical personnel, I cannot say. There are all sorts of problems of all sorts of different sorts - and if it bleeds it leads - but given that I despair at the reports I keep getting from the USA. ARe things realy getting that bad?
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  > ARe things realy getting that bad? It's always been this bad, it's just that people who weren't given a voice now have some new means to be heard and are actually being listened to instead of having their experiences discounted and discarded.
  - worik 6y ago
    How is it possible that the USA can be so rich, and so poor at the same time? How can any body sleep at night?
    - manicdee 6y ago
      What they don’t know doesn’t keep them up at night.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
      - the_snooze 6y ago
        In the pre-virus times, I'd push back against rhetoric like this. Not anymore.
      - 65536 6y ago
        And they convince themselves that anyone who is struggling is struggling because of being lazy and not working hard enough. That country could use a good dose of compassion for their fellow humans. But instead they prefer to dehumanize others, and regard others as little more than wild animals.
        dang 6y ago
        If you post nationalistic flamebait like this, or other flamebait this egregious, to HN again, we will ban you. Also, please don't routinely create accounts. This is also in the site guidelines. You needn't use your real name, of course, but for HN to be a community, users need some identity for other users to relate to. Otherwise we may as well have no usernames and no community, and that would be a different kind of forum. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix&page=0&query=by:dang%20community%20identity https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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coronadisaster 6y ago

I have seen a cop order a medic to give sedative to a human that was being choked by said cops for more than 10 minutes (he was basically already dead when they injected him). Search for Tony Timpa on Youtube if you want to see the video. And they were joking while killing him. And last but not least, they all kept their jobs. All humans can be bastards.

ponsin 6y ago
source https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-E_i8Q5G0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-E_i8Q5G0 . The video is just as horrifying as the George Floyd video
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dmix 6y ago
> And last but not least, they all kept their jobs Police unions are some of the most powerful organizations. Not being able to fire bad actors is one of the worst parts of unions. I've never understood why there hasn't been a movement to reform them. Their coworkers get stuck with them too and bringing the whole unit down. Instead we're always sold some nostalgic narrative of past golden eras of unions. Glossing over all the warts and cruft built up over time. We're long overdue for modernized unions.
- CryptoPunk 6y ago
  Even the nostalgic narrative of the past golden era of unions is, from what I've seen, mostly a creation of propaganda. The gains unions won for their members were worse than zero-sum, because they merely redistributed from profit (shareholder income) to worker income, while resulting in collective bargaining agreements that reduced the flexibility of the labor market. The violence they were involved in was almost universally started by them, as illegal action that violated the employer's right to their property, and replacement worker's right to work at their site, was their main source of leverage.
- watwut 6y ago