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> We're comparing lockdowns with what people actually do when you don't have a lockdown As long as we are comparing with what people actually do when there is

> We're comparing lockdowns with what people actually do when you don't have a lockdown As long as we are comparing with what people actually do when there is a lockdown. This is what makes the data analysis so difficult - perhaps in some areas people actually followed lockdown rules - where I live basically nobody did. Yet on paper we had similar lockdowns. > Wouldn't this cause them to not do regular health checkups, etc. as well? It doesn’t seem so - but it’s hard to know for sure because you are comparing different cultures and demographics. Swedes kept going to routine checkups whereas Californians didn’t - but was that caused by the lockdowns or differences in culture? Like I said in 12-18 months the data will be a lot clearer. > [citation needed] Follow Michael Levitt on Twitter - https://mobile.twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013 https://mobile.twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013 > Comparing Sweden to the US is misleading Yes, and so is comparing Sweden and Denmark - but you were happy to do that. Latest excess deaths show Sweden is doing better than the European average - https://mobile.twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013/status/1283814254957789184 https://mobile.twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013/status/12838142549... > Well, there it is. The age of the people dying is only relevant if you don't care about the elderly. You should be ashamed of yourself. Grow a conscience. Nonsense - a 5 year old dying is completely different from an 80 year old dying. That doesn’t mean I don’t care about the elderly. > Lockdowns protect the old. That’s not clear. NYC for example has had a ruinous number of deaths in nursing homes. Maybe you meant “Lockdowns are intended to protect the old”?

kerkeslager 6y ago
> As long as we are comparing with what people actually do when there is a lockdown. We are. > This is what makes the data analysis so difficult - perhaps in some areas people actually followed lockdown rules - where I live basically nobody did. Really? People in your area showed up to closed businesses and did what, congregated outside pointlessly? I'm gonna have to say, I don't believe that. > Swedes kept going to routine checkups whereas Californians didn’t - but was that caused by the lockdowns or differences in culture? [citation needed] > Follow Michael Levitt on Twitter - https://mobile.twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013 https://mobile.twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013 [citation needed] still, because I have no idea where you're seeing anything there which you're claiming, and more to the point, a biophysicist is not the same as an epidemiologist, and even more to the point, even an epidemiologist needs evidence to back up their point. In short, link a study, or you are just making crap up. > > Comparing Sweden to the US is misleading > Yes, and so is comparing Sweden and Denmark - but you were happy to do that. No, it's not. The difference is that I gave reasons why the US and Sweden are different, whereas you don't seem to feel that a lack of evidence should prevent you from saying things. Again, provide evidence for your claims, or you're just making crap up. > NYC for example has had a ruinous number of deaths in nursing homes. NYC didn't lock down until the disease had already been widespread.

kerkeslager 6y ago

> As long as we are comparing with what people actually do when there is a lockdown. We are. > This is what makes the data analysis so difficult - perhaps in some areas people actually followed lockdown rules - where I live basically nobody did. Really? People in your area showed up to closed businesses and did what, congregated outside pointlessly? I'm gonna have to say, I don't believe that. > Swedes kept going to routine checkups whereas Californians didn’t - but was that caused by the lockdowns or differences in culture? [citation needed] > Follow Michael Levitt on Twitter - https://mobile.twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013 https://mobile.twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013 [citation needed] still, because I have no idea where you're seeing anything there which you're claiming, and more to the point, a biophysicist is not the same as an epidemiologist, and even more to the point, even an epidemiologist needs evidence to back up their point. In short, link a study, or you are just making crap up. > > Comparing Sweden to the US is misleading > Yes, and so is comparing Sweden and Denmark - but you were happy to do that. No, it's not. The difference is that I gave reasons why the US and Sweden are different, whereas you don't seem to feel that a lack of evidence should prevent you from saying things. Again, provide evidence for your claims, or you're just making crap up. > NYC for example has had a ruinous number of deaths in nursing homes. NYC didn't lock down until the disease had already been widespread.