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Other than the money, you also need to count in the fact that as an Asian/Chinese you are not really that secure/free in the US especially now with a president

Other than the money, you also need to count in the fact that as an Asian/Chinese you are not really that secure/free in the US especially now with a president saying Chinese Virus all the time.

actuator 6y ago
Also, for a Chinese expat the path to permanent residency or citizenship is hard, so moving back would have that as a positive as well.
- vsskanth 6y ago
  Curious, is it hard because of the backlog or other reasons ? I understand there is a 5-6 year wait for a green card for Chinese born.
  - smilekzs 6y ago
    That, plus policy instability like the recent H-1B ban. Effect of instability is amplified by the long wait --- the longer you wait, the more likely some policy changes and hurt your bottom line. It is true that something good could happen too, but (1) the current "climate" does not suggest that (2) a H-1B holder with a priority date has more to lose than to gain (through policy changes).
GekkePrutser 6y ago
To be honest I as a European wouldn't even consider moving there at the moment. Trump is really polarising American society (which already was quite polarised due to the two-party system).
threeseed 6y ago
US is a stable democracy with an independent media and judiciary. And Trump’s unpopularity (~60%) means that his world view is not shared by the majority of Americans. So this idea that it is not that secure/free because of a minor uptick in racism is ridiculous. China is routinely kidnapping and torturing anyone who disagrees with them - citizen or not. And we still don’t know where many missing journalists have ended up.
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  > independent media Actually the mainstream TV & newspaper media are overall owned by a very few holding companies and there's plenty of stories of people being subtly or overtly pressured to either change tune or be forced off the air if they ie spoke extensively against the Iraq War pre-invasion.
  - threeseed 6y ago
    They aren’t directly controlled by the government though. And you have plenty of organisations like NPR and PBS which are truly independent. Also anyone can create a news site or blog without worrying about it being blocked.
    - umanwizard 6y ago
      PBS and NPR are in fact directly controlled by the government. It’s interesting that those are your two examples of gold standard independent media.
      - selimthegrim 6y ago
        No, you’re thinking of VOA and stuff that used to be under erstwhile Broadcasting Board of Governors
      - threeseed 6y ago
        They are both independent non-profits which rely on a mix of private and public funds. Not sure through what mechanism you think they are directly controlled.
        pishpash 6y ago
        The state-controlled CPB exerts significant influence via funding and the FCC via regulatory reach. This isn't theoretical. Whether that's "direct" control or not is in the eye of the beholder, but people have accused media in other countries of being not independent under similar circumstances. Personally I think anyone can live in their own fiction as long as they are not hurting anyone else, but to consider a strategic resource like the media as being truly independent in any country is naive. You're literally missing an entire world if you do not look outside your home country.

Other than the money, you also need to count in the fact that as an Asian/Chinese you are not really that secure/free in the US especially now with a president saying Chinese Virus all the time.

actuator 6y ago

Also, for a Chinese expat the path to permanent residency or citizenship is hard, so moving back would have that as a positive as well.

vsskanth 6y ago
Curious, is it hard because of the backlog or other reasons ? I understand there is a 5-6 year wait for a green card for Chinese born.
- smilekzs 6y ago
  That, plus policy instability like the recent H-1B ban. Effect of instability is amplified by the long wait --- the longer you wait, the more likely some policy changes and hurt your bottom line. It is true that something good could happen too, but (1) the current "climate" does not suggest that (2) a H-1B holder with a priority date has more to lose than to gain (through policy changes).

GekkePrutser 6y ago

To be honest I as a European wouldn't even consider moving there at the moment. Trump is really polarising American society (which already was quite polarised due to the two-party system).

threeseed 6y ago

US is a stable democracy with an independent media and judiciary. And Trump’s unpopularity (~60%) means that his world view is not shared by the majority of Americans. So this idea that it is not that secure/free because of a minor uptick in racism is ridiculous. China is routinely kidnapping and torturing anyone who disagrees with them - citizen or not. And we still don’t know where many missing journalists have ended up.

AsyncAwait 6y ago
> independent media Actually the mainstream TV & newspaper media are overall owned by a very few holding companies and there's plenty of stories of people being subtly or overtly pressured to either change tune or be forced off the air if they ie spoke extensively against the Iraq War pre-invasion.
- threeseed 6y ago
  They aren’t directly controlled by the government though. And you have plenty of organisations like NPR and PBS which are truly independent. Also anyone can create a news site or blog without worrying about it being blocked.
  - umanwizard 6y ago
    PBS and NPR are in fact directly controlled by the government. It’s interesting that those are your two examples of gold standard independent media.
    - selimthegrim 6y ago
      No, you’re thinking of VOA and stuff that used to be under erstwhile Broadcasting Board of Governors
    - threeseed 6y ago
      They are both independent non-profits which rely on a mix of private and public funds. Not sure through what mechanism you think they are directly controlled.
      - pishpash 6y ago
        The state-controlled CPB exerts significant influence via funding and the FCC via regulatory reach. This isn't theoretical. Whether that's "direct" control or not is in the eye of the beholder, but people have accused media in other countries of being not independent under similar circumstances. Personally I think anyone can live in their own fiction as long as they are not hurting anyone else, but to consider a strategic resource like the media as being truly independent in any country is naive. You're literally missing an entire world if you do not look outside your home country.