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That's fair, on the other hand, is China semiregularly bombing hospitals in the Middle East? You can cherry-pick certain facts to suit you either way. As for "

That's fair, on the other hand, is China semiregularly bombing hospitals in the Middle East? You can cherry-pick certain facts to suit you either way. As for "free press", the U.S. has the appearance of free press that is shockingly uniform on issues of war for example, controlled by very few entities in total.

codekansas 6y ago
Hard to tell without a free press
- chrischen 6y ago
  Hard to tell with a free press, since people just find the news they want to hear anyways. I guess our situation with getting news from Facebook is voluntary censorship. Maybe that’s better than forced censorship? What if the controller of news is benevolent? I think the situation is that the Chinese government is mostly benevolent to its own citizens, which is why it has fairly good political support domestically. They are however not benevolent to the US interests, which is why we want to stop them. One benefit of a free press is that we’d be able to introduce our own propaganda into the country to push agendas that benefit ourselves.
  - president 6y ago
    So silencing the original Covid-19 whistleblower allowing the virus to devastate Wuhan and propagate to the rest of the world is better than free press? How is that benevolent?
    - chrischen 6y ago
      Our free press didn't do much to help prevent the spread of the virus here either... It looks like it's also going to turn out much worse.
fermienrico 6y ago
Huh? Have you looked at American press? The history is filled with literally thousands of articles condemning the government in every aspect of its operations. Including the NPR which comes out with stuff like this: https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthrew-irans-democracy-in-four-days https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthr... American press is brutal, you like it or not. If US is bombing hospitals in the middle east, there are news papers writing about it. Btw, would like to get the source on this from you while you google your away into another example of American freedom of press. Incredible how American image on the world has tarnished and people go in with a swoop of imaginations, away from hard truth and facts. I am not even American.
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  Yeah, I have seen that exact American press. The NPR story is about a coup that happened in the 50s, so not much you can do about ti today. They're not saying "don't escalate with Iran today, we did a lot to wrong them too". They didn't say don't go to Iraq or Vietnam pre-invasion. Even in China you can say that Mao did this and this wrong, because guess what? He's dead and that's no longer relevant. A good press opposes things when there's something that could still be done about it. As for their criticisms of Trump, it's more about decorum and his lack of polish/civility rather than some hard-core policy disagreements from what I've seen.

codekansas 6y ago

Hard to tell without a free press

chrischen 6y ago
Hard to tell with a free press, since people just find the news they want to hear anyways. I guess our situation with getting news from Facebook is voluntary censorship. Maybe that’s better than forced censorship? What if the controller of news is benevolent? I think the situation is that the Chinese government is mostly benevolent to its own citizens, which is why it has fairly good political support domestically. They are however not benevolent to the US interests, which is why we want to stop them. One benefit of a free press is that we’d be able to introduce our own propaganda into the country to push agendas that benefit ourselves.
- president 6y ago
  So silencing the original Covid-19 whistleblower allowing the virus to devastate Wuhan and propagate to the rest of the world is better than free press? How is that benevolent?
  - chrischen 6y ago
    Our free press didn't do much to help prevent the spread of the virus here either... It looks like it's also going to turn out much worse.

fermienrico 6y ago

Huh? Have you looked at American press? The history is filled with literally thousands of articles condemning the government in every aspect of its operations. Including the NPR which comes out with stuff like this: https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthrew-irans-democracy-in-four-days https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthr... American press is brutal, you like it or not. If US is bombing hospitals in the middle east, there are news papers writing about it. Btw, would like to get the source on this from you while you google your away into another example of American freedom of press. Incredible how American image on the world has tarnished and people go in with a swoop of imaginations, away from hard truth and facts. I am not even American.

AsyncAwait 6y ago
Yeah, I have seen that exact American press. The NPR story is about a coup that happened in the 50s, so not much you can do about ti today. They're not saying "don't escalate with Iran today, we did a lot to wrong them too". They didn't say don't go to Iraq or Vietnam pre-invasion. Even in China you can say that Mao did this and this wrong, because guess what? He's dead and that's no longer relevant. A good press opposes things when there's something that could still be done about it. As for their criticisms of Trump, it's more about decorum and his lack of polish/civility rather than some hard-core policy disagreements from what I've seen.