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The specific concern here is cultural manipulation by the CCP with far-future-looking roadmaps to undermine and dominate their economic rivals. For example, Di

by xbar 6y ago

The specific concern here is cultural manipulation by the CCP with far-future-looking roadmaps to undermine and dominate their economic rivals. For example, Disney as a Yuan-focused propaganda engine for CCP values cannot produce a remake of Robin Hood, which is a strongly indvidualistic narrative. Driving a generation of strongly "powerful, central government is the best way to solve problems" values to children and young people paves they way for teens and twentysomethings to adopt CCP-sympathetic narratives in media and social media. FYI, if you stand up two false straw men, you look like a collaborator with the CCP. <joke> You communist. </joke>

supernova87a 6y ago
So, if I were being sarcastic/cynical -- I would say, "so we object to China trying to become a global superpower by investing in the arts, media, technology, and a slew of other things that cause economic gains for their people?" How dare they stoop to such tactics. I would actually feel more in earnest about the above joke if it didn't come with (or was trying to mask) the torture, economic espionage, etc.
dang 6y ago
> FYI, if you stand up two false straw men, you look like a collaborator with the CCP. <joke> You communist. </joke> This breaks the site guidelines—quite badly actually. Insinuating that someone is a "collaborator" is...well, it's hard to believe that we've returned to an age where people do this kind of thing, however trivially on the internet. Adding joke tags doesn't help much, and it's notable that you didn't wrap your entire insinuation in them anyhow. Would you mind reading https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and using HN in the intended spirit? Note that they include: Assume good faith. "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data." Edit: so far, every comment your account has posted has been using HN for political/ideological/national battle. That's not what this site is for, and we ban accounts that do this, so please don't misuse HN this way. No, that's not because we're communist collaborators—it's because we're trying to protect HN from flamewar, regardless of which angle the flamebait flies in from.
- ra1n85 6y ago
  It's clearly tongue in cheek, how can you not see that? I mean there are joke tags!
  - dang 6y ago
    "Adding joke tags doesn't help much, and it's notable that you didn't wrap your entire insinuation in them anyhow."
    - ra1n85 6y ago
      [edit] Retracting my unnecessary jab around the moderator's comments being modified several times and their moderation leaving a lot to be desired. The latter was rude and uncalled for.
      - Bud 6y ago
        I'll refrain from commenting on you personally, but I will say that I've been here for around a decade and dang's moderation has been excellent over that entire period. Sometimes it has even been aimed at my comments, and I cannot really cite a single example where I feel dang has been unfair. I would also note that you failed to even attempt to say why you think dang's moderation was lacking, here.
      - dang 6y ago
        Oh it's true that I build my comments by posting an initial stub and then adding to them bit by bit. That's the process that works, for whatever reason. But I'd never do that to create a misleading impression—on the contrary, in such cases I'll always add "Edit". If you replied before I added the bit about joke tags, I didn't see that and I'm sorry. I actually have the 'delay' field in my profile set to allow time for such incremental edits, but not for long enough to mask all of them.
tobylane 6y ago
Robin Hood isn’t exactly in line with American principles either. Guy against the law robs from the rich to give to the poor. I feel like Peter Pan is the replacement figure. Cultural manipulation is a little woolly, does it have other names you like?
- salawat 6y ago
  Robin Hood is actually quite aligned with American values. Standing up to, or outright rejecting unjust laws/taxation was a major factor in the birth of the country. It also embraces aspects of the American psyche that value the act and social contribution of the subversive. always had a place near and dear to the American cultural heart, in spite of what the law and order crowd would have you believe. It has, however, aged poorly, as the arm of the law has lengthened, the voice of the town crier become nigh-unignorable, and the medium of the truly successful in the sense of magnitude of value extracted vs. value provided by has become far harder to assail since it is generally a private individual doing it instead of an authority figure. Then again, timea are a changin'.

by xbar 6y ago

supernova87a 6y ago

So, if I were being sarcastic/cynical -- I would say, "so we object to China trying to become a global superpower by investing in the arts, media, technology, and a slew of other things that cause economic gains for their people?" How dare they stoop to such tactics. I would actually feel more in earnest about the above joke if it didn't come with (or was trying to mask) the torture, economic espionage, etc.

dang 6y ago

> FYI, if you stand up two false straw men, you look like a collaborator with the CCP. <joke> You communist. </joke> This breaks the site guidelines—quite badly actually. Insinuating that someone is a "collaborator" is...well, it's hard to believe that we've returned to an age where people do this kind of thing, however trivially on the internet. Adding joke tags doesn't help much, and it's notable that you didn't wrap your entire insinuation in them anyhow. Would you mind reading https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and using HN in the intended spirit? Note that they include: Assume good faith. "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data." Edit: so far, every comment your account has posted has been using HN for political/ideological/national battle. That's not what this site is for, and we ban accounts that do this, so please don't misuse HN this way. No, that's not because we're communist collaborators—it's because we're trying to protect HN from flamewar, regardless of which angle the flamebait flies in from.

ra1n85 6y ago
It's clearly tongue in cheek, how can you not see that? I mean there are joke tags!
- dang 6y ago
  "Adding joke tags doesn't help much, and it's notable that you didn't wrap your entire insinuation in them anyhow."
  - ra1n85 6y ago
    [edit] Retracting my unnecessary jab around the moderator's comments being modified several times and their moderation leaving a lot to be desired. The latter was rude and uncalled for.
    - Bud 6y ago
      I'll refrain from commenting on you personally, but I will say that I've been here for around a decade and dang's moderation has been excellent over that entire period. Sometimes it has even been aimed at my comments, and I cannot really cite a single example where I feel dang has been unfair. I would also note that you failed to even attempt to say why you think dang's moderation was lacking, here.
    - dang 6y ago
      Oh it's true that I build my comments by posting an initial stub and then adding to them bit by bit. That's the process that works, for whatever reason. But I'd never do that to create a misleading impression—on the contrary, in such cases I'll always add "Edit". If you replied before I added the bit about joke tags, I didn't see that and I'm sorry. I actually have the 'delay' field in my profile set to allow time for such incremental edits, but not for long enough to mask all of them.

tobylane 6y ago

Robin Hood isn’t exactly in line with American principles either. Guy against the law robs from the rich to give to the poor. I feel like Peter Pan is the replacement figure. Cultural manipulation is a little woolly, does it have other names you like?

salawat 6y ago
Robin Hood is actually quite aligned with American values. Standing up to, or outright rejecting unjust laws/taxation was a major factor in the birth of the country. It also embraces aspects of the American psyche that value the act and social contribution of the subversive. always had a place near and dear to the American cultural heart, in spite of what the law and order crowd would have you believe. It has, however, aged poorly, as the arm of the law has lengthened, the voice of the town crier become nigh-unignorable, and the medium of the truly successful in the sense of magnitude of value extracted vs. value provided by has become far harder to assail since it is generally a private individual doing it instead of an authority figure. Then again, timea are a changin'.