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What's to prevent China from re-branding Huawei, or something along those lines? Then, US / UK / Taiwanese companies could say: we're no longer dealing with Hua

What's to prevent China from re-branding Huawei, or something along those lines? Then, US / UK / Taiwanese companies could say: we're no longer dealing with Huawei. We're dealing with Uawei. It's different? China could do something like that indefinitely, as a workaround, no? Or, China could just have any number of new shell companies order TSMC parts, and then hand them over to Huawei.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
> Then, US / UK / Taiwanese companies could say: we're no longer dealing with Huawei. This is one of the big differences between laws and code, and many programmers get this confused. In code, intention does not matter. What code you write, is what the CPU executes. In law intention matters. If you came before a judge and pleaded innocent because Huawei changed their name to Uawei, the judge is going to laugh as they sentence you to the same punishment as supporting Huawei.
- bserge 6y ago
  He's downvoted but he's got a point. What if it's not as simple as just changing their name? What if you dismantle Huawei and sell it off to "other" companies, operating independently and/or cooperating with each other? At some point it would be extremely hard to say "this is still Huawei". The US gov should've banned all major Chinese companies, because that seems like a big loophole to me. Even then it still seems like just a temporary measure.
  - mlindner 6y ago
    I think they’re on the way to banning them, just a matter of time.
shalmanese 6y ago
That's exactly what got Huawei into this mess in the first place. The US placed sanctions on selling telecom equipment to Iran and Huawei went "We aren't selling telecom equipment to Iran, this totally unrelated company 'Skycom Technologies' is" who happen to be comprised of employees who still had Huawei email addresses. Guess how well that turned out.
eunos 6y ago
Another question is whether the entire IP of HiSilicon is 'poisonous'? Can, let's say Huawei sell HiSilicon IP to BBK electronic or Xiaomi and again access the TSMC?

RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago

> Then, US / UK / Taiwanese companies could say: we're no longer dealing with Huawei. This is one of the big differences between laws and code, and many programmers get this confused. In code, intention does not matter. What code you write, is what the CPU executes. In law intention matters. If you came before a judge and pleaded innocent because Huawei changed their name to Uawei, the judge is going to laugh as they sentence you to the same punishment as supporting Huawei.

bserge 6y ago
He's downvoted but he's got a point. What if it's not as simple as just changing their name? What if you dismantle Huawei and sell it off to "other" companies, operating independently and/or cooperating with each other? At some point it would be extremely hard to say "this is still Huawei". The US gov should've banned all major Chinese companies, because that seems like a big loophole to me. Even then it still seems like just a temporary measure.
- mlindner 6y ago
  I think they’re on the way to banning them, just a matter of time.

shalmanese 6y ago

That's exactly what got Huawei into this mess in the first place. The US placed sanctions on selling telecom equipment to Iran and Huawei went "We aren't selling telecom equipment to Iran, this totally unrelated company 'Skycom Technologies' is" who happen to be comprised of employees who still had Huawei email addresses. Guess how well that turned out.

eunos 6y ago

Another question is whether the entire IP of HiSilicon is 'poisonous'? Can, let's say Huawei sell HiSilicon IP to BBK electronic or Xiaomi and again access the TSMC?