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protests != riots

by vb6sp6 6y ago

protests != riots

m0zg 6y ago
I'm pretty sure attacking police with hammers and repeatedly trying to set the courthouse on fire qualifies as "riots". https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-condemns-rampant-long-lasting-violence-portland https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-co...
- vb6sp6 6y ago
  "Authorities didn't release details about any injuries to the officer. Police on Twitter posted a photo of what appeared to be a 16-inch sledgehammer. Authorities say that otherwise protests on Friday were generally peaceful" https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/police-arrest-made-after-hammer-attack-on-federal-officer/283-fc8cd0fa-951b-4c57-ad85-af37f7a61346 https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/police-arres... Doesn't sound like a riot to me. But I don't have an agenda to push so I might be biased :)
  - m0zg 6y ago
    > I don't have an agenda to push But you do, my friend, you do. Otherwise you'd go on twitter and check the situation for yourself. It's extensively documented by citizen journalists, including the people participating in the riots.
    - vb6sp6 6y ago
      m0zg: they are attacking police with hammers! portland police: protests are mostly peaceful who to believe? hmmm.......
      - m0zg 6y ago
        Anything is "peaceful" if you're woke enough: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/28/msnbcs_ali_velshi_downplays_riot_in_front_of_burning_building_mostly_a_protest_not_generally_speaking_unruly.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/28/msnbcs_al...
        vb6sp6 6y ago
        what is it the police say, "dont let a few rotten apples spoil the bunch"?
- peterst28 6y ago
  That's actually a really interesting link. I see severe escalation that sounds like the result of a poor police response. It started with graffiti and a broken window. More than a week later: "Portland Police were forced to deploy crowd control spray to disperse a crowd that was throwing animal seed at officers." Really? They were forced to use pepper spray or tear gas because they were being pelted with animal seed? Poor babies. It must have stung. This is precisely why there are protests to begin with. The police in America only escalate. They do not know how to de-escalate. It did eventually get to fire and hammers, but let's look hard at how it got there. If you escalate a fight, expect to get hit.
  - m0zg 6y ago
    > pelted with animal seed I don't think it was the kind of "seed" you're thinking of. I guess it's the next step up from their usual practice of throwing piss at people. More in line with the spirit of the "summer of love", as it were.
    - peterst28 6y ago
      > I don't think it was the kind of "seed" you're thinking of. That's actually a hilarious interpretation. I hadn't thought of that. :) But it's a pretty formal report so if they meant feces, they would have said so.
      - eindiran 6y ago
        Not feces. "Seed" = "semen". See 6 here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/seed https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/seed But its not really clear if this has that interpretation, or if the protesters were just throwing eg bird seed. Calling it "animal seed" and not meaning the former seems a bit wonky to me.
bigwavedave 6y ago
So in your eyes, was CHOP the "summer of love" the mayor claimed it was?
- vb6sp6 6y ago
  If you are trying to setup a false dichotomy, you are gonna have to try a little harder. CHOP wasn't a "summer of love" like the far left claimed and it wasn't a lawless wasteland of thugs like the far right claimed
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    Plenty of business and home owners in CHOP probably would have something different to say about it entirely. Edit: Whoops, I forgot. No property ownership in CHOP. All good.
    - m0zg 6y ago
      Except for Raz the warlord who has an Airbnb and a Tesla with a trunk full of AR15s that he was giving out to people.

protests != riots

by vb6sp6 6y ago

protests != riots

m0zg 6y ago

I'm pretty sure attacking police with hammers and repeatedly trying to set the courthouse on fire qualifies as "riots". https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-condemns-rampant-long-lasting-violence-portland https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-co...

vb6sp6 6y ago
"Authorities didn't release details about any injuries to the officer. Police on Twitter posted a photo of what appeared to be a 16-inch sledgehammer. Authorities say that otherwise protests on Friday were generally peaceful" https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/police-arrest-made-after-hammer-attack-on-federal-officer/283-fc8cd0fa-951b-4c57-ad85-af37f7a61346 https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/police-arres... Doesn't sound like a riot to me. But I don't have an agenda to push so I might be biased :)
- m0zg 6y ago
  > I don't have an agenda to push But you do, my friend, you do. Otherwise you'd go on twitter and check the situation for yourself. It's extensively documented by citizen journalists, including the people participating in the riots.
  - vb6sp6 6y ago
    m0zg: they are attacking police with hammers! portland police: protests are mostly peaceful who to believe? hmmm.......
    - m0zg 6y ago
      Anything is "peaceful" if you're woke enough: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/28/msnbcs_ali_velshi_downplays_riot_in_front_of_burning_building_mostly_a_protest_not_generally_speaking_unruly.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/28/msnbcs_al...
      - vb6sp6 6y ago
        what is it the police say, "dont let a few rotten apples spoil the bunch"?
peterst28 6y ago
That's actually a really interesting link. I see severe escalation that sounds like the result of a poor police response. It started with graffiti and a broken window. More than a week later: "Portland Police were forced to deploy crowd control spray to disperse a crowd that was throwing animal seed at officers." Really? They were forced to use pepper spray or tear gas because they were being pelted with animal seed? Poor babies. It must have stung. This is precisely why there are protests to begin with. The police in America only escalate. They do not know how to de-escalate. It did eventually get to fire and hammers, but let's look hard at how it got there. If you escalate a fight, expect to get hit.
- m0zg 6y ago
  > pelted with animal seed I don't think it was the kind of "seed" you're thinking of. I guess it's the next step up from their usual practice of throwing piss at people. More in line with the spirit of the "summer of love", as it were.
  - peterst28 6y ago
    > I don't think it was the kind of "seed" you're thinking of. That's actually a hilarious interpretation. I hadn't thought of that. :) But it's a pretty formal report so if they meant feces, they would have said so.
    - eindiran 6y ago
      Not feces. "Seed" = "semen". See 6 here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/seed https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/seed But its not really clear if this has that interpretation, or if the protesters were just throwing eg bird seed. Calling it "animal seed" and not meaning the former seems a bit wonky to me.

bigwavedave 6y ago

So in your eyes, was CHOP the "summer of love" the mayor claimed it was?

vb6sp6 6y ago
If you are trying to setup a false dichotomy, you are gonna have to try a little harder. CHOP wasn't a "summer of love" like the far left claimed and it wasn't a lawless wasteland of thugs like the far right claimed
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  Plenty of business and home owners in CHOP probably would have something different to say about it entirely. Edit: Whoops, I forgot. No property ownership in CHOP. All good.
  - m0zg 6y ago
    Except for Raz the warlord who has an Airbnb and a Tesla with a trunk full of AR15s that he was giving out to people.