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I actually have to agree with both of you. There are bad actors on both sides. Let's keep the good ones and get rid of the bad ones.

vangelis 6y ago
What happens to the good ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft
- obelos 6y ago
  A recent article in The Atlantic details a number of examples of “good cops” getting disciplined, bullied, threatened, and fired for reporting bad, corrupt behavior or even just trying to de-escalate a situation when another cop gets too worked up: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/what-police-departments-do-whistle-blowers/613687/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/what-polic...
throwawaygh 6y ago
> There are bad actors on both sides We're paying generous blue collar salaries & $2MM+ pension to one of those sides, and reasonably expect them to not behave like a 12 year old bullying their sibling. Couldn’t give a damn what the courts do with actually violent protesters, but Police who want their comp packages to be upper-bounded by something other than SNAP benefits and medicaid would be well-advised to not use this particular rhetorical strategy.
tehwebguy 6y ago
... where one side has unilateral power to arrest and kill virtually anyone without any fear of punishment. Violent non-police are arrested, charged, convicted and imprisoned every single day at an alarming rate. Police are not, so no this isn't in any way a "both sides" issue.
vezycash 6y ago
For those who watch anime - the Alabasta arc of One Piece shows a SIMPLE tactic dictators use with peaceful protests & organizations. Seed the protesters with your own troublemakers who attack the police FIRST and then disappear when shit hits the fan. The police would have an excuse to use weapons against the protesters. China used this in the recent Honk Kong protests. US intelligent agencies also pulled this same trick against community organizations run by black people. See Fred Hampton's story https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#Early_life_and_youth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#Early_life_and_yo... The nice part about this is that it's virtually impossible to prove without self confessions which typically happen decades after the event.
jasonlotito 6y ago
> Let's keep the good ones and get rid of the bad ones. That's part of the problem. That's only happening for one side.

vangelis 6y ago

What happens to the good ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft

obelos 6y ago
A recent article in The Atlantic details a number of examples of “good cops” getting disciplined, bullied, threatened, and fired for reporting bad, corrupt behavior or even just trying to de-escalate a situation when another cop gets too worked up: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/what-police-departments-do-whistle-blowers/613687/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/what-polic...

throwawaygh 6y ago

> There are bad actors on both sides We're paying generous blue collar salaries & $2MM+ pension to one of those sides, and reasonably expect them to not behave like a 12 year old bullying their sibling. Couldn’t give a damn what the courts do with actually violent protesters, but Police who want their comp packages to be upper-bounded by something other than SNAP benefits and medicaid would be well-advised to not use this particular rhetorical strategy.

tehwebguy 6y ago

... where one side has unilateral power to arrest and kill virtually anyone without any fear of punishment. Violent non-police are arrested, charged, convicted and imprisoned every single day at an alarming rate. Police are not, so no this isn't in any way a "both sides" issue.

vezycash 6y ago

For those who watch anime - the Alabasta arc of One Piece shows a SIMPLE tactic dictators use with peaceful protests & organizations. Seed the protesters with your own troublemakers who attack the police FIRST and then disappear when shit hits the fan. The police would have an excuse to use weapons against the protesters. China used this in the recent Honk Kong protests. US intelligent agencies also pulled this same trick against community organizations run by black people. See Fred Hampton's story https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#Early_life_and_youth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#Early_life_and_yo... The nice part about this is that it's virtually impossible to prove without self confessions which typically happen decades after the event.

jasonlotito 6y ago

> Let's keep the good ones and get rid of the bad ones. That's part of the problem. That's only happening for one side.