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IIRC, last year Apple setup a server within China for holding the iCloud security keys for the Chinese-owned iPhones? Definitely some collaboration there..

by fouc 6y ago

filoleg 6y ago
Well, that just makes it sound like iPhones sold in China were vulnerable for penetration by Chinese authorities because the decryption keys for those were stored in China, not that iPhones overall were vulnerable. Which makes that whole argument by Barr very weak.
kube-system 6y ago
iCloud in China is operated by Guizhou-Cloud Big Data Industry Co Ltd, which is owned by the Guizhou provincial government. As I understand, it isn't Apple's servers at all. China has some strict protectionist policies for a fairly decent list industries, not just tech. Many foreign companies that operate in China have to do so through joint ventures or other partnerships with domestic Chinese companies. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201801/11/WS5a56a3cca3102e5b17374107.html http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201801/11/WS5a56a3cca3102e5b1...
- DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
  The list of sectors that require joint ventures and majority Chinese ownership has been decreasing over time. Most sectors do not have such restrictions nowadays. For several decades, there has been a general trend - which was greatly accelerated by China's WTO accession - of barriers to trade decreasing in China. In popular discussions of China's trade and economic policies in the West, there's rarely any recognition of this fact. Average tariffs have been reduced to about 3.4%, which is about the same level as the US applied as recently as the mid-1990s. Much of the state sector was privatized and the majority of the economy is now private. Intellectual property enforcement is way up - it's been completely overhauled in just the last 6 years, with specialized courts set up and a very large volume of IP cases being heard every year now. There have been huge changes, which most of the public in the West has little to no idea bout, and which find no reflection in the popular discussion.
threatofrain 6y ago
But what about Apple's end-to-end encrypted messaging?

IIRC, last year Apple setup a server within China for holding the iCloud security keys for the Chinese-owned iPhones? Definitely some collaboration there..

by fouc 6y ago

IIRC, last year Apple setup a server within China for holding the iCloud security keys for the Chinese-owned iPhones? Definitely some collaboration there..

filoleg 6y ago

Well, that just makes it sound like iPhones sold in China were vulnerable for penetration by Chinese authorities because the decryption keys for those were stored in China, not that iPhones overall were vulnerable. Which makes that whole argument by Barr very weak.

kube-system 6y ago

iCloud in China is operated by Guizhou-Cloud Big Data Industry Co Ltd, which is owned by the Guizhou provincial government. As I understand, it isn't Apple's servers at all. China has some strict protectionist policies for a fairly decent list industries, not just tech. Many foreign companies that operate in China have to do so through joint ventures or other partnerships with domestic Chinese companies. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201801/11/WS5a56a3cca3102e5b17374107.html http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201801/11/WS5a56a3cca3102e5b1...

DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
The list of sectors that require joint ventures and majority Chinese ownership has been decreasing over time. Most sectors do not have such restrictions nowadays. For several decades, there has been a general trend - which was greatly accelerated by China's WTO accession - of barriers to trade decreasing in China. In popular discussions of China's trade and economic policies in the West, there's rarely any recognition of this fact. Average tariffs have been reduced to about 3.4%, which is about the same level as the US applied as recently as the mid-1990s. Much of the state sector was privatized and the majority of the economy is now private. Intellectual property enforcement is way up - it's been completely overhauled in just the last 6 years, with specialized courts set up and a very large volume of IP cases being heard every year now. There have been huge changes, which most of the public in the West has little to no idea bout, and which find no reflection in the popular discussion.

threatofrain 6y ago

But what about Apple's end-to-end encrypted messaging?