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Barr didn't seem too concerned about foreign influence when it came to a national security advisor lying to the government about cash payments from Turkey and i

Barr didn't seem too concerned about foreign influence when it came to a national security advisor lying to the government about cash payments from Turkey and illegal coordination with Russia.

ghthor 6y ago
Those allegations turned out to be false.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Flynn admitted lying. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/defense/421780-turkey-and-michael-flynn-five-things-to-know%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/defense/4217...
  - cpr 6y ago
    Only because he was pressured to, to save himself and his son financially. This is an incredible scandal which didn't come to light since the DOJ dropped the case against him. The prosecutors colluded with his own law firm to deny him justice. This has all come out since Syndey Powell took his case.
    - falcolas 6y ago
      Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Any citations?
    - atomi 6y ago
      Do you have a reference to your claims? According to this, Judge Sullivan rejected the assertions of FBI entrapment and prosecutorial malfeasance: > Similar to Horowitz’s findings, the court ruling undercut arguments that the FBI investigation or Justice Department prosecution of Flynn was unjustified or improperly handled. > Refuting Flynn’s claims that he was misled into unwittingly pleading guilty to charges, Sullivan wrote that it was undisputed that Flynn told the same lies to the FBI, Vice President Pence and senior White House officials, who repeated them to the American public, leading to his firing in February 2017. > “The sworn statements of Mr. Flynn and his former counsel belie his new claims of innocence and his new assertions that he was pressured into pleading guilty to making materially false statements to the FBI,” Sullivan wrote. ... > “Arguably, you sold your country out,” Sullivan told Flynn during Flynn’s initially scheduled sentencing hearing, on Dec. 18, 2018. Sullivan cited Flynn’s admissions that he hid the substance of talks with Kislyak and lied when he said he did not know the extent of the Turkish government's involvement in work his firm had obtained and when he claimed an op-ed he wrote for the Turkish president’s benefit was done at his own initiative. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/michael-flynns-sentencing-set-for-jan-28-after-judge-rejects-his-attacks-on-the-fbi-justice-department/2019/12/16/269ae816-f4dd-11e9-a285-882a8e386a96_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/michael-fl...
    - joncrane 6y ago
      Do you have a source for this?
    - scarface74 6y ago
      It’s amazing how the law and order types who are always standing up for law enforcement are the first to say that the justice system unfairly pressures defendants when its one of their own..... Oh and by the way, “The Hill” is definitely not part of the “liberal media.”
      - atomi 6y ago
        According to his bio, he's a Harvard graduate. I don't see how someone with that kind of education could be so easily mislead.
    - grumio 6y ago
      Flynn told FBI he didn't discuss specific sanctions in phone calls to a specific person. He did. Primary source, the phone transcripts, available for all to read: https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-05-29%20ODNI%20to%20CEG%20RHJ%20%28Flynn%20Transcripts%29.pdf https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-05-... What am I missing?
      - linuxftw 6y ago
        > What am I missing? You're missing the transcripts of what Flynn told the FBI, provided by someone other than the FBI.
    - Paradigma11 6y ago
      When following the case at the time most ppl had the impression that the plea deal was excellent for Flynn and he didn't get charged with the heavy stuff (turkey..) because he cooperated in several investigations. Many commentators also said that in such cases getting charged and pleading to a lesser process crime (lying to the FBI..) is pretty standard. Flynns tactic in fighting this process crime and winning seems somewhat strange. If Trump loses in November, there will be new charges the next day and the first piece of evidence will be Flynns written testimony admitting to them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNZSwafPAFc&list=PL35erRp2I3i_86B6Ek1AIo7HOex7IDKXA&index=2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNZSwafPAFc&list=PL35erRp2I3...
  - Meekro 6y ago
    Speaking specifically about the Russian contacts, since I haven't read up on the Turkey stuff.. Flynn was a member of Trump's transition team, and it's understandable that foreign officials would be looking to meet with him and get a sense of how policy will change after Obama leaves office. For example, Obama had imposed sanctions on Russia two weeks before Trump's inauguration. Russia was wondering if Trump planned to double down on this course of action or reverse course, so they sent their ambassador to meet with Flynn. It's arguable that Flynn violated the Logan Act, which criminalizes private citizens negotiating with foreign governments. However, that act (which dates back to John Adams) has not been invoked in court since 1852 and has never been applied to an incoming administration official going through an entirely predictable "get to know you" phase with foreign officials. It's telling that Flynn was indicted for the lying and not the Logan Act violation. I honestly have no idea why he lied, but if he'd just told the FBI to go away, that probably would have been the end of it.
- jakkyboi 6y ago
  They absolutely did not turn out to be false
- Paradigma11 6y ago
  The allegations about turkey are certainly not false. Flynn was being paid ~600k$ during the campaign to lobby for turkey. This for example was an oped he released under turkish supervision on election day: https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/305021-our-ally-turkey-is-in-crisis-and-needs-our-support https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/305021... He only declared this conflict of interest some months later. Nobody disputes this. The only question is if it can be proven that taking money from a wealthy turkish business man and friend of erdo to further turkish national interests constitutes working for the turkish gov. He continued his pro turkey stance in his short term as NSA and tried some shady stuff like selling nuclear tech to the saudis while enriching himself and some friends. This guys corruption is pretty impressive.
xbar 6y ago
Do you think he is wrong about the CCP?
- dangus 6y ago
  A broken clock is right twice a day. This is the problem with the entire Trump administration. To me they seem to be right about some issues related to China. But it’s hard to take anything they say seriously when they’re so deeply pro-corruption, and the commander in chief can’t stand in front of a camera and be honest about what he had for breakfast this morning. Oh, I forgot to mention that if it’s Goya, it has to be good!
- jhpriestley 6y ago
  yes, he is wrong that Apple and Disney are pawns of the CCP, it's a ridiculous accusation from an alternate reality.

Barr didn't seem too concerned about foreign influence when it came to a national security advisor lying to the government about cash payments from Turkey and illegal coordination with Russia.

ghthor 6y ago

Those allegations turned out to be false.

scarface74 6y ago
Flynn admitted lying. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/defense/421780-turkey-and-michael-flynn-five-things-to-know%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/defense/4217...
- cpr 6y ago
  Only because he was pressured to, to save himself and his son financially. This is an incredible scandal which didn't come to light since the DOJ dropped the case against him. The prosecutors colluded with his own law firm to deny him justice. This has all come out since Syndey Powell took his case.
  - falcolas 6y ago
    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Any citations?
  - atomi 6y ago
    Do you have a reference to your claims? According to this, Judge Sullivan rejected the assertions of FBI entrapment and prosecutorial malfeasance: > Similar to Horowitz’s findings, the court ruling undercut arguments that the FBI investigation or Justice Department prosecution of Flynn was unjustified or improperly handled. > Refuting Flynn’s claims that he was misled into unwittingly pleading guilty to charges, Sullivan wrote that it was undisputed that Flynn told the same lies to the FBI, Vice President Pence and senior White House officials, who repeated them to the American public, leading to his firing in February 2017. > “The sworn statements of Mr. Flynn and his former counsel belie his new claims of innocence and his new assertions that he was pressured into pleading guilty to making materially false statements to the FBI,” Sullivan wrote. ... > “Arguably, you sold your country out,” Sullivan told Flynn during Flynn’s initially scheduled sentencing hearing, on Dec. 18, 2018. Sullivan cited Flynn’s admissions that he hid the substance of talks with Kislyak and lied when he said he did not know the extent of the Turkish government's involvement in work his firm had obtained and when he claimed an op-ed he wrote for the Turkish president’s benefit was done at his own initiative. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/michael-flynns-sentencing-set-for-jan-28-after-judge-rejects-his-attacks-on-the-fbi-justice-department/2019/12/16/269ae816-f4dd-11e9-a285-882a8e386a96_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/michael-fl...
  - joncrane 6y ago
    Do you have a source for this?
  - scarface74 6y ago
    It’s amazing how the law and order types who are always standing up for law enforcement are the first to say that the justice system unfairly pressures defendants when its one of their own..... Oh and by the way, “The Hill” is definitely not part of the “liberal media.”
    - atomi 6y ago
      According to his bio, he's a Harvard graduate. I don't see how someone with that kind of education could be so easily mislead.
  - grumio 6y ago
    Flynn told FBI he didn't discuss specific sanctions in phone calls to a specific person. He did. Primary source, the phone transcripts, available for all to read: https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-05-29%20ODNI%20to%20CEG%20RHJ%20%28Flynn%20Transcripts%29.pdf https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-05-... What am I missing?
    - linuxftw 6y ago
      > What am I missing? You're missing the transcripts of what Flynn told the FBI, provided by someone other than the FBI.
  - Paradigma11 6y ago
    When following the case at the time most ppl had the impression that the plea deal was excellent for Flynn and he didn't get charged with the heavy stuff (turkey..) because he cooperated in several investigations. Many commentators also said that in such cases getting charged and pleading to a lesser process crime (lying to the FBI..) is pretty standard. Flynns tactic in fighting this process crime and winning seems somewhat strange. If Trump loses in November, there will be new charges the next day and the first piece of evidence will be Flynns written testimony admitting to them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNZSwafPAFc&list=PL35erRp2I3i_86B6Ek1AIo7HOex7IDKXA&index=2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNZSwafPAFc&list=PL35erRp2I3...
- Meekro 6y ago
  Speaking specifically about the Russian contacts, since I haven't read up on the Turkey stuff.. Flynn was a member of Trump's transition team, and it's understandable that foreign officials would be looking to meet with him and get a sense of how policy will change after Obama leaves office. For example, Obama had imposed sanctions on Russia two weeks before Trump's inauguration. Russia was wondering if Trump planned to double down on this course of action or reverse course, so they sent their ambassador to meet with Flynn. It's arguable that Flynn violated the Logan Act, which criminalizes private citizens negotiating with foreign governments. However, that act (which dates back to John Adams) has not been invoked in court since 1852 and has never been applied to an incoming administration official going through an entirely predictable "get to know you" phase with foreign officials. It's telling that Flynn was indicted for the lying and not the Logan Act violation. I honestly have no idea why he lied, but if he'd just told the FBI to go away, that probably would have been the end of it.
jakkyboi 6y ago
They absolutely did not turn out to be false
Paradigma11 6y ago
The allegations about turkey are certainly not false. Flynn was being paid ~600k$ during the campaign to lobby for turkey. This for example was an oped he released under turkish supervision on election day: https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/305021-our-ally-turkey-is-in-crisis-and-needs-our-support https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/305021... He only declared this conflict of interest some months later. Nobody disputes this. The only question is if it can be proven that taking money from a wealthy turkish business man and friend of erdo to further turkish national interests constitutes working for the turkish gov. He continued his pro turkey stance in his short term as NSA and tried some shady stuff like selling nuclear tech to the saudis while enriching himself and some friends. This guys corruption is pretty impressive.

xbar 6y ago

Do you think he is wrong about the CCP?

dangus 6y ago
A broken clock is right twice a day. This is the problem with the entire Trump administration. To me they seem to be right about some issues related to China. But it’s hard to take anything they say seriously when they’re so deeply pro-corruption, and the commander in chief can’t stand in front of a camera and be honest about what he had for breakfast this morning. Oh, I forgot to mention that if it’s Goya, it has to be good!
jhpriestley 6y ago
yes, he is wrong that Apple and Disney are pawns of the CCP, it's a ridiculous accusation from an alternate reality.