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> Why are you poo pooing federation when Urbit is a federation of Stars? Because I own my own identity, and can move it to another star quite seamlessly withou
by dpc_pw 6y ago
> Why are you poo pooing federation when Urbit is a federation of Stars?
Because I own my own identity, and can move it to another star quite seamlessly without losing my ID and all connections I've made. And I'm not a second class citizen in the system because of that.
With Federated protocols I can create my own instance, sure. Then I do own my identity, at the cost of all the administrative overhead and being a second class participant. Spam and abuse are an unsolved problem at the core of the legacy Internet and all these federated protocols can't do anything about it.
If I own an instance I have to deal with it (spam and other abuse) myself, and constantly fight the fact that other people think I might be a potential abuser myself, which puts people on minor-instances at a disadvantage.
So natural economic and social forces constantly push the system to centralize and that's exactly what we're seeing with everything on the Internet.
- olah_1 6y agoDecentralized Identifiers / accounts are being added to every federated spec that I know of. So I think everyone is aware of the issue there. Regarding spam and abuse, what deters that on Urbit? The cost of a planet? Planets are only as valuable as the Social capital that they’ve built up. If a planet has no mutual “friends” with me, I’m not trusting that planet, period.
- dpc_pw 6y agoThe planet starts with a value you paid for it. Which makes the owners at least start with some skin in the game. I'm looking forward to see how decentralized identifiers will work in practice. It's a step in the right direction, though I don't think it will be enough on its own.
- olah_1 6y agoThe real spam prevention will always go back to reputation and web of trust. Even people writing for urbit understand this. The idea that $10 solves everything is silly. Ultimately the $10 thing (and even the limit to the number of planets) is impotent in the face of natural reputation. > By convention, booted addresses are expected to have some existing reputation outside of their name alone, since they’ve been used on the network. Reputation, good and bad, comes in many forms. Did the address operate any useful infrastructure? Did it get placed on any blacklists for spam or abuse? Did it simply send and receive messages? The ability to programatically track reputation is still in its infancy, but we expect the tooling to develop as urbit grows. https://urbit.org/blog/value-of-address-space-pt3/ https://urbit.org/blog/value-of-address-space-pt3/ This is to say that you do not need limited address space or even a cost barrier to have spam prevention.