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I am looking for something to replace XMPP with our team; I wonder if Zulip could be the one. I do like the thread idea. Does anyone know if there is a CLI cli

I am looking for something to replace XMPP with our team; I wonder if Zulip could be the one. I do like the thread idea. Does anyone know if there is a CLI client, and if E2E encryption is possible with Zulip? It does not seem like these are built-in, but maybe someone built these as add-ons somewhere. I love XMPP, and OMEMO, but Profanity, and Conversations have some weird quirks when used together that we would rather avoid. And while we would love to just move to IRC, and WeeChat, lack of E2E encryption is a deal-breaker.

abhigyank 6y ago
There is a Zulip CLI client - https://github.com/zulip/zulip-terminal https://github.com/zulip/zulip-terminal .
- jamesponddotco 6y ago
  Awesome, and it seems to be official as well. They could mention it on their website, even though it is still not considered stable. Now to look for E2E encryption support.
  - johnisgood 6y ago
    I suppose for private messages it would be relatively easy to implement that, or add OTR support or something.
tapoxi 6y ago
https://element.io/ https://element.io/ ? Like XMPP it supports federation, but Matrix is JSON instead of XML.
- Ericson2314 6y ago
  Yes if you want an XMPP replacement with E2E you definitely want Matrix. (Element, formerly Riot, is the client by the company founded by the founders of Matrix.)
- jamesponddotco 6y ago
  I looked into it a couple of times, but most clients lack E2E encryption support, and the oficial ones are Electron monsters. We mostly work over SSH on remote workstations, hence the CLI/TUI requirement. Altough, it seems there is a plugin for WeeChat with E2E encryption[1]. Gotta take a look. [1] https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix
rakoo 6y ago
E2E encryption kinda breaks with the model of Zulip, ie a company or a project where everything should be visible by everyone even if they arrive after the conversation has started. You'll probably be better served by hosting your own instance and trusting everyone who connects to it.
- jamesponddotco 6y ago
  That is another thing, it would be even better if we could control E2E encryption per room. Since we do everything in the open, instead of needing something like XMPP for private conversations, and IRC for public conversations, we could simply have private rooms with E2E encryption for the team, and public rooms for everyone else. I wish IRC had E2E encryption. In the end, I think we might stay with XMPP with OMEMO for private conversations — or Matrix, depending on how well weechat-matrix work —, and use mailing lists for public discussions. We already use them for patches anyway.
  - Arathorn 6y ago
    weechat-matrix works impressively well. the guy who wrote it now works on core Matrix stuff for Element :)

abhigyank 6y ago

There is a Zulip CLI client - https://github.com/zulip/zulip-terminal https://github.com/zulip/zulip-terminal .

jamesponddotco 6y ago
Awesome, and it seems to be official as well. They could mention it on their website, even though it is still not considered stable. Now to look for E2E encryption support.
- johnisgood 6y ago
  I suppose for private messages it would be relatively easy to implement that, or add OTR support or something.

tapoxi 6y ago

https://element.io/ https://element.io/ ? Like XMPP it supports federation, but Matrix is JSON instead of XML.

Ericson2314 6y ago
Yes if you want an XMPP replacement with E2E you definitely want Matrix. (Element, formerly Riot, is the client by the company founded by the founders of Matrix.)
jamesponddotco 6y ago
I looked into it a couple of times, but most clients lack E2E encryption support, and the oficial ones are Electron monsters. We mostly work over SSH on remote workstations, hence the CLI/TUI requirement. Altough, it seems there is a plugin for WeeChat with E2E encryption[1]. Gotta take a look. [1] https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix

rakoo 6y ago

E2E encryption kinda breaks with the model of Zulip, ie a company or a project where everything should be visible by everyone even if they arrive after the conversation has started. You'll probably be better served by hosting your own instance and trusting everyone who connects to it.

jamesponddotco 6y ago
That is another thing, it would be even better if we could control E2E encryption per room. Since we do everything in the open, instead of needing something like XMPP for private conversations, and IRC for public conversations, we could simply have private rooms with E2E encryption for the team, and public rooms for everyone else. I wish IRC had E2E encryption. In the end, I think we might stay with XMPP with OMEMO for private conversations — or Matrix, depending on how well weechat-matrix work —, and use mailing lists for public discussions. We already use them for patches anyway.
- Arathorn 6y ago
  weechat-matrix works impressively well. the guy who wrote it now works on core Matrix stuff for Element :)