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> "In reality you'd be one of thousands of people holding HTZ calls or TSLA puts in your Robinhood account." Yes, but of those people, a lot of them probably h
by chadash 6y ago
> "In reality you'd be one of thousands of people holding HTZ calls or TSLA puts in your Robinhood account."
Yes, but of those people, a lot of them probably have a history of buying TSLA puts because they are generally bearish on the stock. Or a history of buying calls on HTZ. And they've lost a lot of money in the past over this, because TSLA keeps going up and HTZ keeps going down.
In other words, I can look at all buyers of HTZ and TSLA stocks and most likely eliminate those with histories of buying puts or calls on these stocks.
So now I have a smaller pool of people who suddenly bought HTZ or TSLA puts/calls. Of those, I can probably eliminate anyone with small positions. This isn't worth risking for a profit of a few thousand dollars. Sure I can get a few friends together to invest from their accounts, but the more people i involve, the more i risk. Plus, i can't just do family members or friends who live nearby (unless i'm in a major city), because it'll look strange if a group of people who are related or live close to each other are running the same trades at the same time.
So now they have whittled it down quite a bit. So i bring in the FBI and I start investigating my much smaller list and I target it towards people with computer savviness. It's can probably eliminate accountants and many others who most likely don't have skills to hack twitter. So it's a smaller group of people and the chances of getting caught are no longer so small (not to say it's impossible to get away with it though).
- awinder 6y agoI’m not honestly 100% sure of the situation right now, but things like hertz catch on with more first-time-sucker money than you might think. I mean your benchmark is people with tsla shenanigans, which is relatively recent. With larger betting sports out or curtailed I’m just not sure there isn’t a big enough sea to hide out in.
- PragmaticPulp 6y agoThe window of opportunity for a hack like this is extraordinarily small. The market would have caught on to the hack and reverted back to normal pricing within minutes. Anyone capitalizing on it would have had to be waiting with their finger on the trade button. It's not comparable to something like the Hertz thing which drags on for weeks or the TSLA run-up which has been going on for months. Imagine filtering for trades that happen within a specific 120-second window. Then filter by people who have atypically large volume during that window. It's not a long list.
- awinder 6y agoAh yeah okay the idea of using that short of a time window didn’t occur. I retract my devils advocating.