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I'm a huge knife steel nerd, so it's cool to see this article get some love on HN. Currently, I own knives in S35VN, M390, Cruwear, and 52100, all Spyderco. If

I'm a huge knife steel nerd, so it's cool to see this article get some love on HN. Currently, I own knives in S35VN, M390, Cruwear, and 52100, all Spyderco. If you've never carried an EDC knife before I suggest you pick up a Spyderco Manix or PM2/PM3 and try it out. There's a lot of engineering and craftsmanship that goes into making a quality knife which I think HN readers could appreciate. Also, they're just handy to have around.

adrianN 6y ago
A Spyderco Manix seems to cost about twice as much as a ~15 tool Victorinox. In what way is it better, given that it's just a knife?
- nordsieck 6y ago
  > A Spyderco Manix seems to cost about twice as much as a ~15 tool Victorinox. In what way is it better, given that it's just a knife? I guess it really depends on what you care about. If you have the Victorinox mostly for the tools, then it's obviously better than the Spyderco. If you have it mostly for the blade, then the Spyderco will be better. The edge will be sharper and will last longer. Also, the lock is more ergonomic and probably stronger. If you really like the Victorinox and don't care that much about the cork screw, a Leatherman wave/charge just has much better tools and blade than Victorinox, and you can get the blade in s30v for a bit better performance.
- notacoward 6y ago
  What kind of steel is in that Victorinox? How well does it take an edge (can it even take the same kind of edge), hold an edge, resist chipping, corrosion, etc. compared to the Spyderco? It might well be a better overall EDC tool, but since this is a story specifically about steel I'd guess that the answers to those questions would explain why 2x is literally a small price to pay for some people.
  - TallGuyShort 6y ago
    Victorinox uses a proprietary steel, which I hear good things about does seem to me to be a very good steel. That said, I'm still not a fan of Victorinox blades for much beyond letter opening because of their size & geometry. As others have said, if you want a knife, there are WAY better knives. If you want a bunch of tools, okay. Still partial to Leatherman myself, as much as I like the Swiss Army aesthetic.
    - leeoniya 6y ago
      i carry a knife but also a thin victorinox money clip. the scissors in it hold their edge very well and are extremely handy. the knife in the clip is also quite good, especially in situations where pulling out the more serious 3.4" blade is inappropriate. https://www.gpknives.com/victorinox-money-clip-red.html https://www.gpknives.com/victorinox-money-clip-red.html i also have a victorinox Fieldmaster multi-tool, but the knife in it does not get a lot of use since i cannot EDC the thing due to its heft. i've used the saw in it multiple times and that thing is fantastic.
      - TallGuyShort 6y ago
        Oh that money clip is pretty cool. I would probably go for that if I carried cash much - but I pretty much just use cards now. >> i cannot EDC the thing due to its heft Ha ha! I EDC'd a WorkChamp for a long time. Super handy. Not that comfortable!
        leeoniya 6y ago
        > I would probably go for that if I carried cash much - but I pretty much just use cards now. i don't use it for cash, either. but it's extremely thin and is comfortable in the jeans front mini-pocket. much lower profile and no cheap plastic compared to their standard keychain knife: https://www.rei.com/product/403028/swiss-army-classic-knife https://www.rei.com/product/403028/swiss-army-classic-knife the clip portion of it goes high enough on the frame where you could use it as a pocket clip, with ~0.3" protruding upwards.
- gautamcgoel 6y ago
  I think you're confusing two Sypderco models. The Manix costs about $120-130.
- Doxon 6y ago
  If you need to cut things even a few times a week, I'd recommend trying a knife with a pocket clip and one-handed opening. Being able to have the knife ready in 2 seconds without having to put down what you're holding is both useful and gratifying. Spyderco's thumb-hole system works very well for one handed opening and the grip ergonomics on the Manix2 and Paramilitary2 are great. If those are too large for your tastes, the Spyderco Native is a good choice (while being harder to close one-handed)
  - gautamcgoel 6y ago
    I can easily close my PM2 with one hand, but still haven't figured out how to close my Manix 2 without using both hands. Is there a trick to it?
    - Doxon 6y ago
      Yeah, closing the Manix2 is harder than the PM2. Grip strength and practice are all I can recommend. I grip the handle with all my fingers (not covering the slot) with the butt/pommel nestled in the the palm. This gives you the leverage to reach forward with thumb and index finger to pull rearwards on the locking nubs. Then you can whip your wrist to get the blade to seat, or just reach forward with the thumb to pull it in. edit: when you've got the nubs pulled back, you have to give it a little shake shift the blade a little.
  - chiph 6y ago
    I've carried a Spyderco Ladybug for over a decade. If you get the serrated blade (and you should), you'll want a sharpener that works on them. The closed length is about 2-1/4" (57mm) Note that it has a locking blade, which makes it illegal in the UK, even though the length is under the limit. https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
- thinkmassive 6y ago
  The Spyderco is "just a knife" but the Victorinox is more of a multitool. Yes, the multitool has blades, but they're typically thin and don't lock back. Basically the Spyderco is excellent at many cutting tasks, and a Swiss Army Knife is rarely the best tool but might be the only one you have available for a wide variety of tasks. Choose the right tool for the job.
- blacksmith_tb 6y ago
  I don't have one, but they are pretty different in terms of value proposition, a Victorinox is barely a knife (most are non-locking, which makes them only suited for opening letters), but has some extra tools tucked in that might come in handy, or not. As you pay more for folding knives you get better steel (for holding an edge), locking (for not cutting your fingers off), ergonomics in the handle. There are certainly diminishing returns, and past a point you're mostly paying for fancy materials in the scales of the handle, and a designer's signature. There are lots of cheap and cheerful Chinese-made knives that are still a lot sturdier that a Victorinox, though.
  - Ma8ee 6y ago
    In what kind of normal use of a knife do you risk that the blade folds and cuts your finger without a locking mechanism? I have some trouble visualise anything except possibly stabbing (which I don’t consider normal use).
    - blacksmith_tb 6y ago
      Can't say I do a lot of stabbing, other than boxes. But any kind of cutting where the material can hold onto the blade, like whittling a stick, or cutting a fair-sized piece of rope can cause a non-locking blade to fold onto your fingers.
- m0llusk 6y ago
  They are tools, so let's start with the handles. The Manix handle has a shape which is thin enough to easily carry in pocket yet which fills the hand to enable not just one but a range of different solid grips for maximizing strength or control. The handle materials also make the knife extremely durable yet light even though it is relatively large. Deploying a Victorinox usually means using two hands and then not having a solid lock on the deployed blade. Putting the knife back is also a two handed gesture. While the blade has a stop around halfway to retracted there is still some risk involved. The Manix uses a Spyderco specific variation of a slider lock mechanism which allows the blade to be easily deployed using a range of fast flick or slow slide gestures that require only one hand. When the Manix blade is deployed and the slider lock is not manually held open it automatically locks solidly so that the blade does not move against the handle and the strength of the lock is such that the handle is more likely to fail than the lock itself. Retracting the Manix blade is as simple as pulling back on the slide and then letting the blade fall or swing back into place and while some prefer to use two hands it is easy and even fun to deploy and retract the Manix with one hand. When it comes to cutting there are many variables and the most important is the geometry of the blade. The broad flat grind of the Manix and the classic shape of the cutting edge make it easy to use for piercing and cutting action that slices instead of chopping. Superior materials mean that under use almost any of the Manix blade variants will hold an edge far longer than the Victorinox. So whether simply carrying the knife around just in case it is needed, deploying it for use, or actually cutting things the Manix is going to deliver easer and more reliable performance. It may be just a knife, but if you often use a knife then the convenience can quickly pile up to being less than a dollar--even pennies per actual use with each. And every time you can have the satisfaction of doing what needs to be done with minimal inconvenience. And it is also just plain fun: A fidgety machine that looks cool and works well can inspire confidence in the modern world the way so many other widgets can turn promise into a drag.
  - jaclaz 6y ago
    If we are talking multitools, a Leatherman would do nicely and it has blade lock (beside a S30V blade, possibly depending on models). Depending on the country (and possibly in the US depending on states) a folding knife that can be opened with a flick of the hand/wrist may be considered illegal (switchblade or more accurately "gravity knife"). See: https://www.akti.org/news/california-appellate-upholds-653k/ https://www.akti.org/news/california-appellate-upholds-653k/ In some places there are also contrasting theories on the legality of the "lock open", i.e. a Victorinox multitool or an old Leatherman without lock would "pass" but a (say) Leatherman Charge/Wave/Surge would be border line[1] or just over the border[2]. [1] if considered "multitool" [2] if considered "knife"
- evilduck 6y ago
  m0llusk gave a great answer, but to add to it, they aren't the same types of knives either. You can buy a Victorinox Swiss Army knife (SAK) in exactly one blade steel and it's a stainless steel that's extremely soft, relatively speaking. That's actually a good thing for most casual users since it's fast and easy to sharpen, resilient to abuse, and being stainless, easy to maintain. However, it will not stand up to a lot of normal usage before the edge dulls and it just doesn't perform well anymore. By contrast, the Manix's base model uses S30V and you'll probably get three or four times as much use from it before it dulls. Spyderco is also a "knife enthusiast's knife company" and they make a lot of their knives available in other varieties of steel too. One variant is Maxamet (a tool steel uses to cut other metals) and you'd easily have an edge on that variant last probably 10 times longer than a Swiss Army knife, but at the cost of having a more brittle edge that is much more difficult to sharpen and it's not a truly stainless steel either, so you have to be mindful of rust and exposure. If you're in a job position where you use it a lot, like in a warehouse where you cut pallet straps and break down boxes constantly, the steel variant choice can easily be the difference between needing to touch up the edge every single day vs. once a week. Spyderco also makes an entire lineup of knives that can withstand saltwater exposure without needing constant maintenance, something that would render a Swiss Army knife useless quickly. Those attributes mean the cost difference can be just about anything if the real world choice is between "useless hunk of rust" and "usable". There are also economies of scale. Victorinox sells a lot more SAKs than Spyderco sells Manixes, they stamp out their blades by the thousands, if not millions. Spyderco probably doesn't make more than 100k Manix knives a year. A single Manix also has about as much steel in it as 2 or 3 SAKs (the blade is two or three times thicker at the spine), the handle material is nicer and more expensive, the construction is maintainable, the lock is stronger and more intricate. Also there's a machining cost difference, you don't stamp out thick blade blanks of high end steels, you have to cut them out of a billet. Grinder belts are a consumable that are used to sharpen a knife and they last a lot longer for soft steels vs. hard steels. That cost as well as the additional time an employee spends on it goes into the knife's cost. Spyderco's Manix is made in Golden Colorado, which also has a high cost of living and afaik they compensate their employees with a livable wage (I've been to their factory outlet several years in a row and keep seeing the same faces). All that said, knives can also be pocket jewelry and there's a whole world of stupidly expensive knives out there that enthusiasts push up the prices of, just like there's stupidly expensive cars, watches, keyboards, shaving razors, dress shoes, sneakers, streetwear, raw denim, etc, etc. You can easily reframe your question as to why a pair of Japanese raw denim jeans costs way more than twice as much as a pair of Wranglers at WalMart, given that they're just pants. Or why a Lamborgini costs more than a Civic, given that they're just cars, or why a Keycult keyboard resales second hand for $4k when you can buy a Dell OEM keyboard for $15.
- _jal 6y ago
  Varying opinions already; here's one more. I see it as a category thing; a multitool has a knife, but is not a pocket knife. It is fine for cutting things in a pinch, but is terrible for much use - the ergonomics are all wrong, it is heavy and awkwardly shaped, and usually the blade shape is going to be very generic. As far as cost, it is like anything else - you pay for quality. Others have covered this, I don't have anything to add, other than a rule of thumb - if you've never sharpened a knife, you will probably not find much value in nice ones. As far as value, that's up to you. I use a knife daily, some days more than anything else I carry with me. If you don't need one, then it will be worth far less to you.
- gknoy 6y ago
  After having a pocket knife close on my finger as a kid (when I did something stupid;)), I will never again use a pocketknife without a locking mechanism. A knife is a personal tool; Often what you're paying for is not just the blade quality, but also the ergonomics. For example, my dad has one that he really likes, but I dislike the blade shape, and there's another one I have that is just horribly shaped and feels terrible in the hand.
balls187 6y ago
Benchmade fanboy here. I went down a rabbit hole about EDC in WA state. There is a grey area that carrying a pocket knife requires a concealed weapons permit. Most folding knives have a pocket clip, but as far as I have found, it's unclear if that in an of itself would qualify as not concealing the weapon. https://www.akti.org/state-knife-laws/washington/ https://www.akti.org/state-knife-laws/washington/
- leeoniya 6y ago
  my current EDC is a Benchmade 940-1 (S90V) - love it. used to EDC a Spyderco Centofante 4 (VG-10), but the flat blade profile is not a great all-arounder.
  - balls187 6y ago
    Great knife, I actually have the Goldclass Damascas 940. Obviously not as an EDC.
- nordsieck 6y ago
  > I went down a rabbit hole about EDC in WA state. There is a grey area that carrying a pocket knife requires a concealed weapons permit. From what I can tell, the article you linked talked mostly about the illegality of concealed carrying a fixed blade knife. From what I can tell, it's perfectly legal to carry a folder as long as it doesn't possess any "bad" features[2] and is within the length restriction. The law in Seattle is pretty clear. > "Dangerous knife" means any fixed-blade knife and any other knife having a blade more than 3 1/2 inches in length[1]. ___ 1. https://library.municode.com/wa/seattle/codes/municipal_code?nodeId=TIT12ACRCO_SUBTITLE_ICRCO_CH12A.14WECO_12A.14.010DE https://library.municode.com/wa/seattle/codes/municipal_code... 2. My understanding is that a lot of otherwise normal "folding knives" fall under the "gravity knife" definition because the detent that holds the blade closes is often pretty weak (on purpose - it makes opening the knives one handed easier).
- khm 6y ago
  There is no 'concealed weapons permit' in Washington state. The only available permit is pistol-specific.
jakeogh 6y ago
There's a review in here somewhere... https://www.youtube.com/user/mhanlen1 https://www.youtube.com/user/mhanlen1
mr_overalls 6y ago
Alternatively, consider supporting an artisan by buying a traditionally-forged blade. https://www.etsy.com/shop/BrightForestForge https://www.etsy.com/shop/BrightForestForge
- stronglikedan 6y ago
  I dunno, I think I'd rather have the QC of a big player for an EDC. Those artisan blades are nice showpieces though.
pjc50 6y ago
I may regret this, but if I want a zero maintenance kitchen knife, what should I get? (No "EDC" in the UK, of course)
- abawany 6y ago
  I am no knife nerd and it is heresy to bring it up in this thread but I am a big believer in ceramic knives. They cut clean, maintain an edge with no fuss, and just work. I recommend ones from Kyocera (made in Japan) since those have worked well for me. Also somewhat related, my peppermill is a Kyocera ceramic as well - works awesome compared to some of the others I've tried.
  - dangerscouse 6y ago
    Snap, got 3 Kyocera. Had them for years, never had them sharpened (though I'm told I can post them to do this) but hands down the best knives I've ever owned.
  - evilduck 6y ago
    Ceramics are neat but they chip easily are aren't readily sharpened or repaired at home (or even by most professional sharpeners). I think most people would be better off with a $40 Victorinox Fibrox.
    - abawany 6y ago
      I will concede that cheaper ceramic knives may chip easily but I have been using my set for about 6 years without any issues. The very first cheap ceramic knife I got chipped because I inadvertently dropped it from counter height on a tile floor. My stainless steel knives now just sit idle in drawers and I don't miss them one bit - haven't used one in years.
- balls187 6y ago
  All kitchen knives worth anything require maintenance. Really good knives (i.e. usually made with good steel) will hold an edge, and require less sharpening before each use. Instead you can just hit them weekly or so with a sharpening ceramic. Cheaper knives need constant sharpening, and or don't hold an edge for anything, and require you to do all the work. Regardless, always wash and dry your knives by hand, and always cut on a cutting board. Me personally, I love Shun knives. Not cheap, but the time and effort saved when cooking make it worth the investment. My first shun is over 10 years old, and I have never sharpened it with a stone, just a sharpening ceramic.
ftio 6y ago
Genuine question, coming from the perspective of a city-dwelling office worker. I get the value of having a knife like this in the house (to open and break down cardboard boxes, etc). Why do you need to carry one around? Can you tell me about the last time you used it outside the house? I'm definitely over-indexing on my own experience here. Would love to have my mind opened to how carrying a knife regularly might improve my day. :)
- jeffbee 6y ago
  I carry a benchmade knife everywhere. Why? Because all hell breaks loose if you have three kids and only one nectarine. Not that you need a fancy-ass knife for such work. Other field-knife activities include “what does the inside of this seed look like?” and “I got a splinter!” The only issue is even though the state of California permits them, the university of California forbids carrying knives, and there is one of those right in the middle of my city.
  - vvanders 6y ago
    Yup, +100 on Benchmade. Their locking mechanism is the best I've ever used(strong, can be used single handed with gloves on, and doesn't put your fingers in the path of the blade). We've got a small farm and put their blades through a workout, really a fan of the 535 as a non-flashy, lightweight EDC knife. Toured their factory pre-covid and it was pretty darn cool.
  - User23 6y ago
    Last I knew, in California you can legally walk around with a sword, so long it’s in a sheath hanging from your waist and not concealed.
    - jeffbee 6y ago
      I believe that's true. You can openly carry anything. The University system claims to forbid any folding knife with a blade that locks open (i.e. most any pocketknife) and any blade longer than 2.5 inches, carried openly or concealed.
bitexploder 6y ago
My office is right next to Spyderco’s. Didn’t know they had so much respect in the knife world.
arwineap 6y ago
Manix is a little long for some jurisdictions; sage 5 comes in at 3" so it is allowed almost everywhere

adrianN 6y ago

A Spyderco Manix seems to cost about twice as much as a ~15 tool Victorinox. In what way is it better, given that it's just a knife?

nordsieck 6y ago
> A Spyderco Manix seems to cost about twice as much as a ~15 tool Victorinox. In what way is it better, given that it's just a knife? I guess it really depends on what you care about. If you have the Victorinox mostly for the tools, then it's obviously better than the Spyderco. If you have it mostly for the blade, then the Spyderco will be better. The edge will be sharper and will last longer. Also, the lock is more ergonomic and probably stronger. If you really like the Victorinox and don't care that much about the cork screw, a Leatherman wave/charge just has much better tools and blade than Victorinox, and you can get the blade in s30v for a bit better performance.
notacoward 6y ago
What kind of steel is in that Victorinox? How well does it take an edge (can it even take the same kind of edge), hold an edge, resist chipping, corrosion, etc. compared to the Spyderco? It might well be a better overall EDC tool, but since this is a story specifically about steel I'd guess that the answers to those questions would explain why 2x is literally a small price to pay for some people.
- TallGuyShort 6y ago
  Victorinox uses a proprietary steel, which I hear good things about does seem to me to be a very good steel. That said, I'm still not a fan of Victorinox blades for much beyond letter opening because of their size & geometry. As others have said, if you want a knife, there are WAY better knives. If you want a bunch of tools, okay. Still partial to Leatherman myself, as much as I like the Swiss Army aesthetic.
  - leeoniya 6y ago
    i carry a knife but also a thin victorinox money clip. the scissors in it hold their edge very well and are extremely handy. the knife in the clip is also quite good, especially in situations where pulling out the more serious 3.4" blade is inappropriate. https://www.gpknives.com/victorinox-money-clip-red.html https://www.gpknives.com/victorinox-money-clip-red.html i also have a victorinox Fieldmaster multi-tool, but the knife in it does not get a lot of use since i cannot EDC the thing due to its heft. i've used the saw in it multiple times and that thing is fantastic.
    - TallGuyShort 6y ago
      Oh that money clip is pretty cool. I would probably go for that if I carried cash much - but I pretty much just use cards now. >> i cannot EDC the thing due to its heft Ha ha! I EDC'd a WorkChamp for a long time. Super handy. Not that comfortable!
      - leeoniya 6y ago
        > I would probably go for that if I carried cash much - but I pretty much just use cards now. i don't use it for cash, either. but it's extremely thin and is comfortable in the jeans front mini-pocket. much lower profile and no cheap plastic compared to their standard keychain knife: https://www.rei.com/product/403028/swiss-army-classic-knife https://www.rei.com/product/403028/swiss-army-classic-knife the clip portion of it goes high enough on the frame where you could use it as a pocket clip, with ~0.3" protruding upwards.
gautamcgoel 6y ago
I think you're confusing two Sypderco models. The Manix costs about $120-130.
Doxon 6y ago
If you need to cut things even a few times a week, I'd recommend trying a knife with a pocket clip and one-handed opening. Being able to have the knife ready in 2 seconds without having to put down what you're holding is both useful and gratifying. Spyderco's thumb-hole system works very well for one handed opening and the grip ergonomics on the Manix2 and Paramilitary2 are great. If those are too large for your tastes, the Spyderco Native is a good choice (while being harder to close one-handed)
- gautamcgoel 6y ago
  I can easily close my PM2 with one hand, but still haven't figured out how to close my Manix 2 without using both hands. Is there a trick to it?
  - Doxon 6y ago
    Yeah, closing the Manix2 is harder than the PM2. Grip strength and practice are all I can recommend. I grip the handle with all my fingers (not covering the slot) with the butt/pommel nestled in the the palm. This gives you the leverage to reach forward with thumb and index finger to pull rearwards on the locking nubs. Then you can whip your wrist to get the blade to seat, or just reach forward with the thumb to pull it in. edit: when you've got the nubs pulled back, you have to give it a little shake shift the blade a little.
- chiph 6y ago
  I've carried a Spyderco Ladybug for over a decade. If you get the serrated blade (and you should), you'll want a sharpener that works on them. The closed length is about 2-1/4" (57mm) Note that it has a locking blade, which makes it illegal in the UK, even though the length is under the limit. https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
thinkmassive 6y ago
The Spyderco is "just a knife" but the Victorinox is more of a multitool. Yes, the multitool has blades, but they're typically thin and don't lock back. Basically the Spyderco is excellent at many cutting tasks, and a Swiss Army Knife is rarely the best tool but might be the only one you have available for a wide variety of tasks. Choose the right tool for the job.
blacksmith_tb 6y ago
I don't have one, but they are pretty different in terms of value proposition, a Victorinox is barely a knife (most are non-locking, which makes them only suited for opening letters), but has some extra tools tucked in that might come in handy, or not. As you pay more for folding knives you get better steel (for holding an edge), locking (for not cutting your fingers off), ergonomics in the handle. There are certainly diminishing returns, and past a point you're mostly paying for fancy materials in the scales of the handle, and a designer's signature. There are lots of cheap and cheerful Chinese-made knives that are still a lot sturdier that a Victorinox, though.
- Ma8ee 6y ago
  In what kind of normal use of a knife do you risk that the blade folds and cuts your finger without a locking mechanism? I have some trouble visualise anything except possibly stabbing (which I don’t consider normal use).
  - blacksmith_tb 6y ago
    Can't say I do a lot of stabbing, other than boxes. But any kind of cutting where the material can hold onto the blade, like whittling a stick, or cutting a fair-sized piece of rope can cause a non-locking blade to fold onto your fingers.
m0llusk 6y ago
They are tools, so let's start with the handles. The Manix handle has a shape which is thin enough to easily carry in pocket yet which fills the hand to enable not just one but a range of different solid grips for maximizing strength or control. The handle materials also make the knife extremely durable yet light even though it is relatively large. Deploying a Victorinox usually means using two hands and then not having a solid lock on the deployed blade. Putting the knife back is also a two handed gesture. While the blade has a stop around halfway to retracted there is still some risk involved. The Manix uses a Spyderco specific variation of a slider lock mechanism which allows the blade to be easily deployed using a range of fast flick or slow slide gestures that require only one hand. When the Manix blade is deployed and the slider lock is not manually held open it automatically locks solidly so that the blade does not move against the handle and the strength of the lock is such that the handle is more likely to fail than the lock itself. Retracting the Manix blade is as simple as pulling back on the slide and then letting the blade fall or swing back into place and while some prefer to use two hands it is easy and even fun to deploy and retract the Manix with one hand. When it comes to cutting there are many variables and the most important is the geometry of the blade. The broad flat grind of the Manix and the classic shape of the cutting edge make it easy to use for piercing and cutting action that slices instead of chopping. Superior materials mean that under use almost any of the Manix blade variants will hold an edge far longer than the Victorinox. So whether simply carrying the knife around just in case it is needed, deploying it for use, or actually cutting things the Manix is going to deliver easer and more reliable performance. It may be just a knife, but if you often use a knife then the convenience can quickly pile up to being less than a dollar--even pennies per actual use with each. And every time you can have the satisfaction of doing what needs to be done with minimal inconvenience. And it is also just plain fun: A fidgety machine that looks cool and works well can inspire confidence in the modern world the way so many other widgets can turn promise into a drag.
- jaclaz 6y ago
  If we are talking multitools, a Leatherman would do nicely and it has blade lock (beside a S30V blade, possibly depending on models). Depending on the country (and possibly in the US depending on states) a folding knife that can be opened with a flick of the hand/wrist may be considered illegal (switchblade or more accurately "gravity knife"). See: https://www.akti.org/news/california-appellate-upholds-653k/ https://www.akti.org/news/california-appellate-upholds-653k/ In some places there are also contrasting theories on the legality of the "lock open", i.e. a Victorinox multitool or an old Leatherman without lock would "pass" but a (say) Leatherman Charge/Wave/Surge would be border line[1] or just over the border[2]. [1] if considered "multitool" [2] if considered "knife"
evilduck 6y ago
m0llusk gave a great answer, but to add to it, they aren't the same types of knives either. You can buy a Victorinox Swiss Army knife (SAK) in exactly one blade steel and it's a stainless steel that's extremely soft, relatively speaking. That's actually a good thing for most casual users since it's fast and easy to sharpen, resilient to abuse, and being stainless, easy to maintain. However, it will not stand up to a lot of normal usage before the edge dulls and it just doesn't perform well anymore. By contrast, the Manix's base model uses S30V and you'll probably get three or four times as much use from it before it dulls. Spyderco is also a "knife enthusiast's knife company" and they make a lot of their knives available in other varieties of steel too. One variant is Maxamet (a tool steel uses to cut other metals) and you'd easily have an edge on that variant last probably 10 times longer than a Swiss Army knife, but at the cost of having a more brittle edge that is much more difficult to sharpen and it's not a truly stainless steel either, so you have to be mindful of rust and exposure. If you're in a job position where you use it a lot, like in a warehouse where you cut pallet straps and break down boxes constantly, the steel variant choice can easily be the difference between needing to touch up the edge every single day vs. once a week. Spyderco also makes an entire lineup of knives that can withstand saltwater exposure without needing constant maintenance, something that would render a Swiss Army knife useless quickly. Those attributes mean the cost difference can be just about anything if the real world choice is between "useless hunk of rust" and "usable". There are also economies of scale. Victorinox sells a lot more SAKs than Spyderco sells Manixes, they stamp out their blades by the thousands, if not millions. Spyderco probably doesn't make more than 100k Manix knives a year. A single Manix also has about as much steel in it as 2 or 3 SAKs (the blade is two or three times thicker at the spine), the handle material is nicer and more expensive, the construction is maintainable, the lock is stronger and more intricate. Also there's a machining cost difference, you don't stamp out thick blade blanks of high end steels, you have to cut them out of a billet. Grinder belts are a consumable that are used to sharpen a knife and they last a lot longer for soft steels vs. hard steels. That cost as well as the additional time an employee spends on it goes into the knife's cost. Spyderco's Manix is made in Golden Colorado, which also has a high cost of living and afaik they compensate their employees with a livable wage (I've been to their factory outlet several years in a row and keep seeing the same faces). All that said, knives can also be pocket jewelry and there's a whole world of stupidly expensive knives out there that enthusiasts push up the prices of, just like there's stupidly expensive cars, watches, keyboards, shaving razors, dress shoes, sneakers, streetwear, raw denim, etc, etc. You can easily reframe your question as to why a pair of Japanese raw denim jeans costs way more than twice as much as a pair of Wranglers at WalMart, given that they're just pants. Or why a Lamborgini costs more than a Civic, given that they're just cars, or why a Keycult keyboard resales second hand for $4k when you can buy a Dell OEM keyboard for $15.
_jal 6y ago
Varying opinions already; here's one more. I see it as a category thing; a multitool has a knife, but is not a pocket knife. It is fine for cutting things in a pinch, but is terrible for much use - the ergonomics are all wrong, it is heavy and awkwardly shaped, and usually the blade shape is going to be very generic. As far as cost, it is like anything else - you pay for quality. Others have covered this, I don't have anything to add, other than a rule of thumb - if you've never sharpened a knife, you will probably not find much value in nice ones. As far as value, that's up to you. I use a knife daily, some days more than anything else I carry with me. If you don't need one, then it will be worth far less to you.
gknoy 6y ago
After having a pocket knife close on my finger as a kid (when I did something stupid;)), I will never again use a pocketknife without a locking mechanism. A knife is a personal tool; Often what you're paying for is not just the blade quality, but also the ergonomics. For example, my dad has one that he really likes, but I dislike the blade shape, and there's another one I have that is just horribly shaped and feels terrible in the hand.

balls187 6y ago

Benchmade fanboy here. I went down a rabbit hole about EDC in WA state. There is a grey area that carrying a pocket knife requires a concealed weapons permit. Most folding knives have a pocket clip, but as far as I have found, it's unclear if that in an of itself would qualify as not concealing the weapon. https://www.akti.org/state-knife-laws/washington/ https://www.akti.org/state-knife-laws/washington/

leeoniya 6y ago
my current EDC is a Benchmade 940-1 (S90V) - love it. used to EDC a Spyderco Centofante 4 (VG-10), but the flat blade profile is not a great all-arounder.
- balls187 6y ago
  Great knife, I actually have the Goldclass Damascas 940. Obviously not as an EDC.
nordsieck 6y ago
> I went down a rabbit hole about EDC in WA state. There is a grey area that carrying a pocket knife requires a concealed weapons permit. From what I can tell, the article you linked talked mostly about the illegality of concealed carrying a fixed blade knife. From what I can tell, it's perfectly legal to carry a folder as long as it doesn't possess any "bad" features[2] and is within the length restriction. The law in Seattle is pretty clear. > "Dangerous knife" means any fixed-blade knife and any other knife having a blade more than 3 1/2 inches in length[1]. ___ 1. https://library.municode.com/wa/seattle/codes/municipal_code?nodeId=TIT12ACRCO_SUBTITLE_ICRCO_CH12A.14WECO_12A.14.010DE https://library.municode.com/wa/seattle/codes/municipal_code... 2. My understanding is that a lot of otherwise normal "folding knives" fall under the "gravity knife" definition because the detent that holds the blade closes is often pretty weak (on purpose - it makes opening the knives one handed easier).
khm 6y ago
There is no 'concealed weapons permit' in Washington state. The only available permit is pistol-specific.

jakeogh 6y ago

There's a review in here somewhere... https://www.youtube.com/user/mhanlen1 https://www.youtube.com/user/mhanlen1

mr_overalls 6y ago

Alternatively, consider supporting an artisan by buying a traditionally-forged blade. https://www.etsy.com/shop/BrightForestForge https://www.etsy.com/shop/BrightForestForge

stronglikedan 6y ago
I dunno, I think I'd rather have the QC of a big player for an EDC. Those artisan blades are nice showpieces though.

pjc50 6y ago

I may regret this, but if I want a zero maintenance kitchen knife, what should I get? (No "EDC" in the UK, of course)

abawany 6y ago
I am no knife nerd and it is heresy to bring it up in this thread but I am a big believer in ceramic knives. They cut clean, maintain an edge with no fuss, and just work. I recommend ones from Kyocera (made in Japan) since those have worked well for me. Also somewhat related, my peppermill is a Kyocera ceramic as well - works awesome compared to some of the others I've tried.
- dangerscouse 6y ago
  Snap, got 3 Kyocera. Had them for years, never had them sharpened (though I'm told I can post them to do this) but hands down the best knives I've ever owned.
- evilduck 6y ago
  Ceramics are neat but they chip easily are aren't readily sharpened or repaired at home (or even by most professional sharpeners). I think most people would be better off with a $40 Victorinox Fibrox.
  - abawany 6y ago
    I will concede that cheaper ceramic knives may chip easily but I have been using my set for about 6 years without any issues. The very first cheap ceramic knife I got chipped because I inadvertently dropped it from counter height on a tile floor. My stainless steel knives now just sit idle in drawers and I don't miss them one bit - haven't used one in years.
balls187 6y ago
All kitchen knives worth anything require maintenance. Really good knives (i.e. usually made with good steel) will hold an edge, and require less sharpening before each use. Instead you can just hit them weekly or so with a sharpening ceramic. Cheaper knives need constant sharpening, and or don't hold an edge for anything, and require you to do all the work. Regardless, always wash and dry your knives by hand, and always cut on a cutting board. Me personally, I love Shun knives. Not cheap, but the time and effort saved when cooking make it worth the investment. My first shun is over 10 years old, and I have never sharpened it with a stone, just a sharpening ceramic.

ftio 6y ago

Genuine question, coming from the perspective of a city-dwelling office worker. I get the value of having a knife like this in the house (to open and break down cardboard boxes, etc). Why do you need to carry one around? Can you tell me about the last time you used it outside the house? I'm definitely over-indexing on my own experience here. Would love to have my mind opened to how carrying a knife regularly might improve my day. :)

jeffbee 6y ago
I carry a benchmade knife everywhere. Why? Because all hell breaks loose if you have three kids and only one nectarine. Not that you need a fancy-ass knife for such work. Other field-knife activities include “what does the inside of this seed look like?” and “I got a splinter!” The only issue is even though the state of California permits them, the university of California forbids carrying knives, and there is one of those right in the middle of my city.
- vvanders 6y ago
  Yup, +100 on Benchmade. Their locking mechanism is the best I've ever used(strong, can be used single handed with gloves on, and doesn't put your fingers in the path of the blade). We've got a small farm and put their blades through a workout, really a fan of the 535 as a non-flashy, lightweight EDC knife. Toured their factory pre-covid and it was pretty darn cool.
- User23 6y ago
  Last I knew, in California you can legally walk around with a sword, so long it’s in a sheath hanging from your waist and not concealed.
  - jeffbee 6y ago
    I believe that's true. You can openly carry anything. The University system claims to forbid any folding knife with a blade that locks open (i.e. most any pocketknife) and any blade longer than 2.5 inches, carried openly or concealed.

bitexploder 6y ago

My office is right next to Spyderco’s. Didn’t know they had so much respect in the knife world.

arwineap 6y ago

Manix is a little long for some jurisdictions; sage 5 comes in at 3" so it is allowed almost everywhere