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"Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists

"Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S." They seem to be getting that part right...

artificial 6y ago
It's wishful thinking to hope that people realize there's more in common than differences. Class/racial strife is the most effective bludgeon remaining, unlike traditional nations surrounded by enemies where suspicions can be inflamed effectively (ex: "It's the '-ists!'"). The Project Lincoln co-founder John Weaver is a registered foreign agent (Russia), a spy, endorsing a political candidate.
- ipython 6y ago
  Your comment seems awfully misleading and inflammatory considering John Weaver publicly announced that he has cancelled the contract with ROSATOM and did not accept any money. Further, a “spy”? There’s no evidence of that.
  - artificial 6y ago
    Correct, I retract, FYI here's where he said it was a mistake (after signing) and not registering. [1] https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/444041-former-kasich-adviser-says-he-wont-lobby-for-russia-apologies-for-the https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/444041-former-kasich...
AnthonyMouse 6y ago
The interesting thing is how they're succeeding. We haven't exactly seen a resurgence of the Klan of late, you might notice. What's happening instead is that anything that can even be vaguely construed as racist, even if it doesn't hold up under scrutiny -- especially then -- becomes the subject of mob focus and attack. Because if you can convince the mob to "righteously" attack innocent targets then you get fireworks. The mob is told that they're on the side of the angels and the target is a despicable fascist who should burn in hell, so they cross every line to take out the intolerable evil. Then it turns out the target wasn't, in actual fact, the literal devil, and that gets other people hopping mad at the mob over the real perils of mob justice. But by that point the mob has moved on to the next target who we're again assured is a very bad person, this time for real, promise. It's tempting to go too far with this and come up with some kind of conspiracy theory where BLM as a whole is nothing but a Russian plot, but there are far too many real people in it for that. What seems more likely is that you have an existing movement with many well-intentioned people but no strong leaders, and all it takes is an adversarial propaganda effort to whip enough of them into a frenzy and point them at a false target that will purposely generate a backlash. Then you've got two huge camps of honest people fighting each other over a manufactured conflict which isn't even at the root of their genuine concerns.
- g8oz 6y ago
  >>We haven't exactly seen a resurgence of the Klan of late, you might notice. Are you serious? While the Klan may be played out new fascist/racist groups are definitely on the march. Google "Boogaloo boys" as just one example.
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement : > The specific ideology of each group varies, and views on topics such as race differ widely. Some are white supremacist or neo-Nazi groups who believe that the impending unrest will be a race war; other groups condemn racism and white supremacy. > opinions on racism and attitudes towards law enforcement are among the views that differ the most between groups in the movement > 4chan > The term boogaloo alludes to the 1984 cult sequel Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo > Hawaiian shirts > satirical It's the exact thing you would expect when the other side is desperately searching for an enemy to smash. Literally attention-seeking trolls from 4chan show up in a place and manner that causes people to pay attention to them. Then law enforcement will take them seriously, because they have to, which gives them exactly the false legitimacy they're after. And in any event not much of a big bad fascist/racist group when they can't even agree whether they're racists and the thing they do agree on is that they're anti-government, i.e. the complete opposite of fascism.

artificial 6y ago

It's wishful thinking to hope that people realize there's more in common than differences. Class/racial strife is the most effective bludgeon remaining, unlike traditional nations surrounded by enemies where suspicions can be inflamed effectively (ex: "It's the '-ists!'"). The Project Lincoln co-founder John Weaver is a registered foreign agent (Russia), a spy, endorsing a political candidate.

ipython 6y ago
Your comment seems awfully misleading and inflammatory considering John Weaver publicly announced that he has cancelled the contract with ROSATOM and did not accept any money. Further, a “spy”? There’s no evidence of that.
- artificial 6y ago
  Correct, I retract, FYI here's where he said it was a mistake (after signing) and not registering. [1] https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/444041-former-kasich-adviser-says-he-wont-lobby-for-russia-apologies-for-the https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/444041-former-kasich...

AnthonyMouse 6y ago

The interesting thing is how they're succeeding. We haven't exactly seen a resurgence of the Klan of late, you might notice. What's happening instead is that anything that can even be vaguely construed as racist, even if it doesn't hold up under scrutiny -- especially then -- becomes the subject of mob focus and attack. Because if you can convince the mob to "righteously" attack innocent targets then you get fireworks. The mob is told that they're on the side of the angels and the target is a despicable fascist who should burn in hell, so they cross every line to take out the intolerable evil. Then it turns out the target wasn't, in actual fact, the literal devil, and that gets other people hopping mad at the mob over the real perils of mob justice. But by that point the mob has moved on to the next target who we're again assured is a very bad person, this time for real, promise. It's tempting to go too far with this and come up with some kind of conspiracy theory where BLM as a whole is nothing but a Russian plot, but there are far too many real people in it for that. What seems more likely is that you have an existing movement with many well-intentioned people but no strong leaders, and all it takes is an adversarial propaganda effort to whip enough of them into a frenzy and point them at a false target that will purposely generate a backlash. Then you've got two huge camps of honest people fighting each other over a manufactured conflict which isn't even at the root of their genuine concerns.

g8oz 6y ago
>>We haven't exactly seen a resurgence of the Klan of late, you might notice. Are you serious? While the Klan may be played out new fascist/racist groups are definitely on the march. Google "Boogaloo boys" as just one example.
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement : > The specific ideology of each group varies, and views on topics such as race differ widely. Some are white supremacist or neo-Nazi groups who believe that the impending unrest will be a race war; other groups condemn racism and white supremacy. > opinions on racism and attitudes towards law enforcement are among the views that differ the most between groups in the movement > 4chan > The term boogaloo alludes to the 1984 cult sequel Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo > Hawaiian shirts > satirical It's the exact thing you would expect when the other side is desperately searching for an enemy to smash. Literally attention-seeking trolls from 4chan show up in a place and manner that causes people to pay attention to them. Then law enforcement will take them seriously, because they have to, which gives them exactly the false legitimacy they're after. And in any event not much of a big bad fascist/racist group when they can't even agree whether they're racists and the thing they do agree on is that they're anti-government, i.e. the complete opposite of fascism.