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This is just rebranded consumer VPN service? So Mozilla is outsourcing their brand. Seems very risky for them. I don’t know why anyone would trust a consumer VP

This is just rebranded consumer VPN service? So Mozilla is outsourcing their brand. Seems very risky for them. I don’t know why anyone would trust a consumer VPN service. CIA or another country’s spy agency could easily be behind any of them. Just like Crypto AG. Being based in Sweden is no guarantee at all. Encrypted email services are another obvious thing for spy agencies to run. The only useful purpose of a consumer VPN is torrenting and bypass geographic blocking. Privacy can be either increased or decreased with a consumer VPN service.

nafizh 6y ago
I don't get it. Who are they outsourcing it to?
- byteshock 6y ago
  They’re using Mullvad’s network. Basically reselling it. But it seems to be around 70 cents (US dollar) cheaper since Mullvad charges in Euros and Mozilla uses US dollar. I’ve been using Mullvad for several years now and they’ve been reliable. They have independent security audits done and are known for their privacy.
  - mekster 6y ago
    So, they're just doing it for commercial reasons? Does Mozilla add anything to it than its name?
    - byteshock 6y ago
      As far as I can see, the only thing they've "added" was their own client applications. The connection limits and server locations are the same as Mullvad. One thing that Mozilla does not offer yet, but Mullvad does, are Wireguard proxies. These are socks5 proxies run internally on every Wireguard server. Using these you can connect to another server, for example EU --> US, and achieve "multihopping". Mozilla also seems to only offer the Wireguard protocol, but this doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
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eropple 6y ago
> The only useful purpose of a consumer VPN is torrenting and bypass geographic blocking. This is profoundly untrue. Firesheep still exists, not everybody's on HTTPS for everything (though they should be, and clients don't have control over that), and with the existence of stuff like SNI I don't necessarily (read: really, ever) want an ISP knowing where my traffic is going.

nafizh 6y ago

I don't get it. Who are they outsourcing it to?

byteshock 6y ago
They’re using Mullvad’s network. Basically reselling it. But it seems to be around 70 cents (US dollar) cheaper since Mullvad charges in Euros and Mozilla uses US dollar. I’ve been using Mullvad for several years now and they’ve been reliable. They have independent security audits done and are known for their privacy.
- mekster 6y ago
  So, they're just doing it for commercial reasons? Does Mozilla add anything to it than its name?
  - byteshock 6y ago
    As far as I can see, the only thing they've "added" was their own client applications. The connection limits and server locations are the same as Mullvad. One thing that Mozilla does not offer yet, but Mullvad does, are Wireguard proxies. These are socks5 proxies run internally on every Wireguard server. Using these you can connect to another server, for example EU --> US, and achieve "multihopping". Mozilla also seems to only offer the Wireguard protocol, but this doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

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eropple 6y ago

> The only useful purpose of a consumer VPN is torrenting and bypass geographic blocking. This is profoundly untrue. Firesheep still exists, not everybody's on HTTPS for everything (though they should be, and clients don't have control over that), and with the existence of stuff like SNI I don't necessarily (read: really, ever) want an ISP knowing where my traffic is going.