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A lot of philosophers have had similar (but different) takes on this phenomenon over time. Plato: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_forms https://en.wik

A lot of philosophers have had similar (but different) takes on this phenomenon over time. Plato: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_forms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_forms https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/plato-metaphysics/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/plato-metaphysics/ Jiddu Krishnamurti: https://charleseisenstein.org/video/it-is-no-measure-of-health-to-be-well-adjusted-to-a-profoundly-sick-society/ https://charleseisenstein.org/video/it-is-no-measure-of-heal... https://www.wildmind.org/blogs/quote-of-the-month/krishnamurti-measure-of-health https://www.wildmind.org/blogs/quote-of-the-month/krishnamur... Terence McKenna: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7391624-we-have-gone-sick-by-following-a-path-of-untrammelled https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7391624-we-have-gone-sick-b... https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/5998836-the-reason-we-feel-alienated-is-because-the-society-is https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/5998836-the-reason-we-feel-... https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/9243.Terence_McKenna https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/9243.Terence_McKenna Interestingly, this sort of phenomenon is rarely if ever discussed in the mainstream - rather, when any such ideas are discussed, they are typically mocked, trivialized, discredited, misrepresented, framed, "debunked", etc. It makes one wonder why things are this way - is this consensus perspective accidental, or might something else be going on? Can we point to any other historic examples of people being deliberately (mis)led, by coordinated and powerful actors, to believe certain things to be true, that are not actually true?

seesawtron 6y ago
Quoting Ernest Becker from his "The Denial of Death" which is again derived in a way from Plato's Ideas/Forms: "In man a working level of narcissism is inseparable from self-esteem, from a basic sense of self-worth. His sense of self-worth is constituted symbolically, his cherished narcissism feeds on symbols, on an abstract idea of his own worth, an idea composed of words, sounds and images, in the air, in the mind, on paper." > Can we point to any other historic examples of people being deliberately (mis)led, by coordinated and powerful actors, to believe certain things to be true, that are not actually true? I think the whole Public Relations (aka propaganda) movement would be an example of this delibrately misleading people to believe in certain things and force them act accordingly. The modern pioneer of this would be Edward Bernays [0] how he profited the industry by convincing people that they need to buy material things (for example, new fashionable clothes) to express their individuality or helping the Tobacco industry to get rid of the taboo of smoking among women. But I would argue that this idea of misleading masses goes back in history. I would go out on a limb here but isn't the whole idea of Church based on fear of hell in order to make people act according to "Christian" values to seek eternal heaven and save their soul? Seems like delibrating misleading people in a coordinated manner to believe in ideas that are not actually proven to be true. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04

seesawtron 6y ago

Quoting Ernest Becker from his "The Denial of Death" which is again derived in a way from Plato's Ideas/Forms: "In man a working level of narcissism is inseparable from self-esteem, from a basic sense of self-worth. His sense of self-worth is constituted symbolically, his cherished narcissism feeds on symbols, on an abstract idea of his own worth, an idea composed of words, sounds and images, in the air, in the mind, on paper." > Can we point to any other historic examples of people being deliberately (mis)led, by coordinated and powerful actors, to believe certain things to be true, that are not actually true? I think the whole Public Relations (aka propaganda) movement would be an example of this delibrately misleading people to believe in certain things and force them act accordingly. The modern pioneer of this would be Edward Bernays [0] how he profited the industry by convincing people that they need to buy material things (for example, new fashionable clothes) to express their individuality or helping the Tobacco industry to get rid of the taboo of smoking among women. But I would argue that this idea of misleading masses goes back in history. I would go out on a limb here but isn't the whole idea of Church based on fear of hell in order to make people act according to "Christian" values to seek eternal heaven and save their soul? Seems like delibrating misleading people in a coordinated manner to believe in ideas that are not actually proven to be true. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04