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I feel like the preppers were not prepared. Too much ammo and MREs, not enough pasta and hygienic supplies.

Zhyl 6y ago
There was a great Cracked podcast about this recently. Preppers are basically preparing for some Hollywood doomsday scenario where the hero overcomes challenges by putting himself first and (sometimes violently) surviving by a series of physically demanding challenges that depends on his canny and his wits. The real life pandemic scenario is 'solved' (in the same sense) by listening to Government advice, being considerate of others and staying at home and watching TV.
- pps43 6y ago
  > by listening to Government advice I beg to differ. The CDC insisted masks don't work until April, the WHO until June.
  - Aengeuad 6y ago
    The Twitter account for the British Prime Minister said that you can both exercise in parks and that visiting parks put lives in danger on the same day. Of course this should be expected from a populist government that needs to put forward multiple ideas to gauge public opinion before implementing policy but then any advice from the (English) government just comes across as contradictory and hypocritical especially when the politicians themselves don't follow the advice. We had the whole 'masks don't work' song and dance too and by all accounts England is one of the worst countries for mask adoption rates despite a decent majority of the country thinking that they work, adoption rates might change a little when masks become mandatory in shops in a little over a week but for most people it's after the strict lockdown has ended and well past the point of being necessary. So I'd agree with you here, it has been very hard to take the official advice seriously and it's a real shame that a government is muddying the waters for political reasons. https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1246779210410143746 https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/12467792104101437... https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1246807303975620609 https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/12468073039756206...
    - wunderland 6y ago
      The UK is wearing masks at a higher rate than many EU countries https://www.statista.com/statistics/1114375/wearing-a-face-mask-outside-in-european-countries/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1114375/wearing-a-face-m...
      - Aengeuad 6y ago
        Sorry in advanced for a late reply to an already off-topic tangent. It has been reported on heavily that mask wearing rates in the UK are low compared to Europe [0] although I'll fully admit not doing my due diligence in examining whether the headlines match the claims, those stats don't even include countries like Iceland, or Belgium & Norway which would be interesting to see given the difference in lockdown strategies, but in my defence mask wearing rates in the UK are low compared to similarly sized countries like Italy, France, Spain, or Germany. The Scandinavian results are interesting but they do seem to be outliers, Sweden is definitely an outlier but maybe if you look at all the Nordic countries and include Iceland the results won't be too interesting. [0] https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1281638035462004739 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1281638035462004739
- cpeterso 6y ago
  Many preppers just want to play soldier and imagine they will get to shoot up marauding neighbors. The real preppers are Mormon families who follow LDS guidelines for keeping their pantry stocked with one-year's supply of food to provide for their family.
  - dharmab 6y ago
    As someone who lives in Mormon country, most families here are incredibly well-prepared for emergencies. It's notable that the LDS-style emergency preparedness assumes that social structures will be available through the local wards and therefore individual preparedness can be planned more practically. For example, emergency food stores are standard groceries rotated through the household's regular diet rather than special emergency foods.
pps43 6y ago
The ammo thing is strange. It's as if they estimate their probability of survival in a firefight by assuming their adversaries will be as accurate as storm troopers from Star Wars.
- bluGill 6y ago
  Ammo is useful because if civilization ends you can hunt deer and other wild food with it. How they survive the end of civilization is something I've never understood. If the world population is in the thousands odds are you are dead.
  - pps43 6y ago
    You'll need at most a hundred rounds. There isn't that many deer around. Yet preppers hoard tens of thousands of rounds. If you want to be sustainable, get a crossbow instead.
    - HeadsUpHigh 6y ago
      You can burn a lot of ammo in a single fight if you have any kind of fully or semi-auto gun. Human vs human is what these people prepare for the most. A crossbow is a terrible idea as well. You need specialized machines in order to re-string it let alone if any other part fails. If your plans require zero reliability to civilization then traditional archery or an ~100lbs recurve bow modified with a trigger and a compound aim is your best bet.
      - bluGill 6y ago
        Right, but the point is that human VS human isn't very likely.
        HeadsUpHigh 6y ago
        I'd say it's much more likely that the original suggestion of being in the last few thousand alive
floatingatoll 6y ago
One of the underpinnings of many preppers' operating model was "we'll use the MREs to wait for law enforcement to collapse and then use ammo to become king of the hill in post-apocalyptic society". They weren't preparing for all apocalypses, just the ones that would let them use military strength to become unchallenged fief lords. In any scenario where law enforcement is still operating, their stashes are of little use.

Zhyl 6y ago

There was a great Cracked podcast about this recently. Preppers are basically preparing for some Hollywood doomsday scenario where the hero overcomes challenges by putting himself first and (sometimes violently) surviving by a series of physically demanding challenges that depends on his canny and his wits. The real life pandemic scenario is 'solved' (in the same sense) by listening to Government advice, being considerate of others and staying at home and watching TV.

pps43 6y ago
> by listening to Government advice I beg to differ. The CDC insisted masks don't work until April, the WHO until June.
- Aengeuad 6y ago
  The Twitter account for the British Prime Minister said that you can both exercise in parks and that visiting parks put lives in danger on the same day. Of course this should be expected from a populist government that needs to put forward multiple ideas to gauge public opinion before implementing policy but then any advice from the (English) government just comes across as contradictory and hypocritical especially when the politicians themselves don't follow the advice. We had the whole 'masks don't work' song and dance too and by all accounts England is one of the worst countries for mask adoption rates despite a decent majority of the country thinking that they work, adoption rates might change a little when masks become mandatory in shops in a little over a week but for most people it's after the strict lockdown has ended and well past the point of being necessary. So I'd agree with you here, it has been very hard to take the official advice seriously and it's a real shame that a government is muddying the waters for political reasons. https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1246779210410143746 https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/12467792104101437... https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1246807303975620609 https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/12468073039756206...
  - wunderland 6y ago
    The UK is wearing masks at a higher rate than many EU countries https://www.statista.com/statistics/1114375/wearing-a-face-mask-outside-in-european-countries/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1114375/wearing-a-face-m...
    - Aengeuad 6y ago
      Sorry in advanced for a late reply to an already off-topic tangent. It has been reported on heavily that mask wearing rates in the UK are low compared to Europe [0] although I'll fully admit not doing my due diligence in examining whether the headlines match the claims, those stats don't even include countries like Iceland, or Belgium & Norway which would be interesting to see given the difference in lockdown strategies, but in my defence mask wearing rates in the UK are low compared to similarly sized countries like Italy, France, Spain, or Germany. The Scandinavian results are interesting but they do seem to be outliers, Sweden is definitely an outlier but maybe if you look at all the Nordic countries and include Iceland the results won't be too interesting. [0] https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1281638035462004739 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1281638035462004739
cpeterso 6y ago
Many preppers just want to play soldier and imagine they will get to shoot up marauding neighbors. The real preppers are Mormon families who follow LDS guidelines for keeping their pantry stocked with one-year's supply of food to provide for their family.
- dharmab 6y ago
  As someone who lives in Mormon country, most families here are incredibly well-prepared for emergencies. It's notable that the LDS-style emergency preparedness assumes that social structures will be available through the local wards and therefore individual preparedness can be planned more practically. For example, emergency food stores are standard groceries rotated through the household's regular diet rather than special emergency foods.

pps43 6y ago

The ammo thing is strange. It's as if they estimate their probability of survival in a firefight by assuming their adversaries will be as accurate as storm troopers from Star Wars.

bluGill 6y ago
Ammo is useful because if civilization ends you can hunt deer and other wild food with it. How they survive the end of civilization is something I've never understood. If the world population is in the thousands odds are you are dead.
- pps43 6y ago
  You'll need at most a hundred rounds. There isn't that many deer around. Yet preppers hoard tens of thousands of rounds. If you want to be sustainable, get a crossbow instead.
  - HeadsUpHigh 6y ago
    You can burn a lot of ammo in a single fight if you have any kind of fully or semi-auto gun. Human vs human is what these people prepare for the most. A crossbow is a terrible idea as well. You need specialized machines in order to re-string it let alone if any other part fails. If your plans require zero reliability to civilization then traditional archery or an ~100lbs recurve bow modified with a trigger and a compound aim is your best bet.
    - bluGill 6y ago
      Right, but the point is that human VS human isn't very likely.
      - HeadsUpHigh 6y ago
        I'd say it's much more likely that the original suggestion of being in the last few thousand alive

floatingatoll 6y ago

One of the underpinnings of many preppers' operating model was "we'll use the MREs to wait for law enforcement to collapse and then use ammo to become king of the hill in post-apocalyptic society". They weren't preparing for all apocalypses, just the ones that would let them use military strength to become unchallenged fief lords. In any scenario where law enforcement is still operating, their stashes are of little use.