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Record Numbers of Americans Try to Buy Guns

22 points by Reedx 6y ago

collyw 6y ago
Not a surprise when there is rioting and the police do next to nothing. (I say that as a European that is happy we don't have the same gun culture over here).
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- CapricornNoble 6y ago
  Yeah, funny how all those anti-2A talking heads evaporated as soon as the country descended into chaos. Almost my entire family has been armed long before COVID so they haven't needed to procure any additional weapons. Although I've been trying to convince my mother to add a shotgun to complement her revolver for a while. That said, I'm glad I live in Japan and don't have to worry about firearms in addition to the psychos with knives.
  - vb6sp6 6y ago
    > Yeah, funny how all those anti-2A talking heads evaporated as soon as the country descended into chaos The country didn't descend into chaos and anti-2a people didn't disappear.
    - m0zg 6y ago
      The country did not, but some cities did. There have been massive near-daily riots in Portland for example, but if you only consume mainstream press, you wouldn't even know.
      - vb6sp6 6y ago
        protests != riots
        m0zg 6y ago
        I'm pretty sure attacking police with hammers and repeatedly trying to set the courthouse on fire qualifies as "riots". https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-condemns-rampant-long-lasting-violence-portland https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-co...
        vb6sp6 6y ago
        "Authorities didn't release details about any injuries to the officer. Police on Twitter posted a photo of what appeared to be a 16-inch sledgehammer. Authorities say that otherwise protests on Friday were generally peaceful" https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/police-arrest-made-after-hammer-attack-on-federal-officer/283-fc8cd0fa-951b-4c57-ad85-af37f7a61346 https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/police-arres... Doesn't sound like a riot to me. But I don't have an agenda to push so I might be biased :)
        m0zg 6y ago
        > I don't have an agenda to push But you do, my friend, you do. Otherwise you'd go on twitter and check the situation for yourself. It's extensively documented by citizen journalists, including the people participating in the riots.
        vb6sp6 6y ago
        m0zg: they are attacking police with hammers! portland police: protests are mostly peaceful who to believe? hmmm.......
        m0zg 6y ago
        Anything is "peaceful" if you're woke enough: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/28/msnbcs_ali_velshi_downplays_riot_in_front_of_burning_building_mostly_a_protest_not_generally_speaking_unruly.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/28/msnbcs_al...
    - grimjack00 6y ago
      The anti-2a people are being very quiet, partly because one of their arguments as to why you do not need a gun is because you can just call the police. But that's not going to work when the large portion of the police force is otherwise occupied with protests or rioting, or after the police department has been defunded.
      - blaser-waffle 6y ago
        Bingo. You either trust the police with your security, or you assume that you're responsible for your security -- but no amount of reform is going to make humanity into pliable care-bears.
  - TimesOldRoman 6y ago
    I'm anti 2A for everyone, but that's shouting into a hurricane until we have fewer guns than humans in the US.
- peterst28 6y ago
  The danger of the protesters is overblown in the service of certain people who want to divide Americans. The division, polarization, and people reaching for guns is far more dangerous than the protests themselves.
  - m0zg 6y ago
    That's what one of my rich, liberal friends used to say until riots and looting started 2 blocks from where he lives. He now has an AR15.
  - tdfx 6y ago
    As someone who had their building lit on fire and had to evacuate for 12 hours, I would disagree.
    - blaser-waffle 6y ago
      Aye, our main corporate tech office is in a city with a lot of protesters, and had the windows smashed and the lobby set on fire. This is a Fortune 500 that you have heard of. Everyone is remote due to COVID, but this isn't a remote office in a podunk city. And even if it was, you can't just handwave it away.
    - pnutjam 6y ago
      and a hail of bullets would have helped the situation or hindered?
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igneo676 6y ago
It's worrying how many people are purchasing firearms as first-time buyers who are also dis-incentivized from training due to the pandemic. Sure, many states mandate training before initially purchasing and/or carrying a firearm but that should be an ongoing thing. At the start of the buying spree, gun ranges near me were all closed down and prevented the sort of practice that any responsible gun owner should have. I appreciate people like Maj Toure and his organization Black Guns Matter who are going and teaching proper gun safety across the nation. There should be more people like him
- dfsegoat 6y ago
  It's a valid concern. Even a gun range or concealed carry class won't teach you what you need: Situational awareness, proper draw technique, muzzle discipline, etc. Sheepdog Response - headed up by Tim Kennedy is another good org. with an aim to prevent responsible (safe) self-defense training. [1] Tim is an (active) green beret and retired UFC fighter, and their org. is geared entirely towards teaching the average citizen how to safely defend themselves (both armed and unarmed). It's the real deal, and their classes are pretty much 2 full weekend days. 1 - https://sheepdogresponse.com/ https://sheepdogresponse.com/ edit: I do not represent them in any way. Just believe in their mission.

22 points by Reedx 6y ago

Not a surprise when there is rioting and the police do next to nothing. (I say that as a European that is happy we don't have the same gun culture over here).

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CapricornNoble 6y ago
Yeah, funny how all those anti-2A talking heads evaporated as soon as the country descended into chaos. Almost my entire family has been armed long before COVID so they haven't needed to procure any additional weapons. Although I've been trying to convince my mother to add a shotgun to complement her revolver for a while. That said, I'm glad I live in Japan and don't have to worry about firearms in addition to the psychos with knives.
- vb6sp6 6y ago
  > Yeah, funny how all those anti-2A talking heads evaporated as soon as the country descended into chaos The country didn't descend into chaos and anti-2a people didn't disappear.
  - m0zg 6y ago
    The country did not, but some cities did. There have been massive near-daily riots in Portland for example, but if you only consume mainstream press, you wouldn't even know.
    - vb6sp6 6y ago
      protests != riots
      - m0zg 6y ago
        I'm pretty sure attacking police with hammers and repeatedly trying to set the courthouse on fire qualifies as "riots". https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-condemns-rampant-long-lasting-violence-portland https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-co...
        vb6sp6 6y ago
        "Authorities didn't release details about any injuries to the officer. Police on Twitter posted a photo of what appeared to be a 16-inch sledgehammer. Authorities say that otherwise protests on Friday were generally peaceful" https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/police-arrest-made-after-hammer-attack-on-federal-officer/283-fc8cd0fa-951b-4c57-ad85-af37f7a61346 https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/police-arres... Doesn't sound like a riot to me. But I don't have an agenda to push so I might be biased :)
        m0zg 6y ago
        > I don't have an agenda to push But you do, my friend, you do. Otherwise you'd go on twitter and check the situation for yourself. It's extensively documented by citizen journalists, including the people participating in the riots.
        vb6sp6 6y ago
        m0zg: they are attacking police with hammers! portland police: protests are mostly peaceful who to believe? hmmm.......
        m0zg 6y ago
        Anything is "peaceful" if you're woke enough: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/28/msnbcs_ali_velshi_downplays_riot_in_front_of_burning_building_mostly_a_protest_not_generally_speaking_unruly.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/28/msnbcs_al...
  - grimjack00 6y ago
    The anti-2a people are being very quiet, partly because one of their arguments as to why you do not need a gun is because you can just call the police. But that's not going to work when the large portion of the police force is otherwise occupied with protests or rioting, or after the police department has been defunded.
    - blaser-waffle 6y ago
      Bingo. You either trust the police with your security, or you assume that you're responsible for your security -- but no amount of reform is going to make humanity into pliable care-bears.
- TimesOldRoman 6y ago
  I'm anti 2A for everyone, but that's shouting into a hurricane until we have fewer guns than humans in the US.
peterst28 6y ago
The danger of the protesters is overblown in the service of certain people who want to divide Americans. The division, polarization, and people reaching for guns is far more dangerous than the protests themselves.
- m0zg 6y ago
  That's what one of my rich, liberal friends used to say until riots and looting started 2 blocks from where he lives. He now has an AR15.
- tdfx 6y ago
  As someone who had their building lit on fire and had to evacuate for 12 hours, I would disagree.
  - blaser-waffle 6y ago
    Aye, our main corporate tech office is in a city with a lot of protesters, and had the windows smashed and the lobby set on fire. This is a Fortune 500 that you have heard of. Everyone is remote due to COVID, but this isn't a remote office in a podunk city. And even if it was, you can't just handwave it away.
  - pnutjam 6y ago
    and a hail of bullets would have helped the situation or hindered?

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igneo676 6y ago

It's worrying how many people are purchasing firearms as first-time buyers who are also dis-incentivized from training due to the pandemic. Sure, many states mandate training before initially purchasing and/or carrying a firearm but that should be an ongoing thing. At the start of the buying spree, gun ranges near me were all closed down and prevented the sort of practice that any responsible gun owner should have. I appreciate people like Maj Toure and his organization Black Guns Matter who are going and teaching proper gun safety across the nation. There should be more people like him

dfsegoat 6y ago
It's a valid concern. Even a gun range or concealed carry class won't teach you what you need: Situational awareness, proper draw technique, muzzle discipline, etc. Sheepdog Response - headed up by Tim Kennedy is another good org. with an aim to prevent responsible (safe) self-defense training. [1] Tim is an (active) green beret and retired UFC fighter, and their org. is geared entirely towards teaching the average citizen how to safely defend themselves (both armed and unarmed). It's the real deal, and their classes are pretty much 2 full weekend days. 1 - https://sheepdogresponse.com/ https://sheepdogresponse.com/ edit: I do not represent them in any way. Just believe in their mission.