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Lol. The only thing I want less than China spying on the cat videos I watch is Zuck spying on them, and reselling it to a 3rd party to hack my voting decisions.

Lol. The only thing I want less than China spying on the cat videos I watch is Zuck spying on them, and reselling it to a 3rd party to hack my voting decisions....

jkinudsjknds 6y ago
The means by which facebook would alter your voting decisions would be by showing you targeted content that it wants to use to sway your opinion, or by letting advertisers do that for money. Why would you expect a Chinese government associated entity to not do the same, given they have a general, vague vested interest in discord among foreign nations?
ciarannolan 6y ago
Sure, but in the case of TikTok, there's one less intermediary in the chain trying to hack your voting decisions.
- nickthegreek 6y ago
  Are people using the same TikTok that I am? There is currently a single skippable ad when I open the app (that appears maybe 75% of the time). Other than that, its a bunch of people under the age of 35 doing skits.. What am I supposed to be worried about when it comes to election engineering here?
  - Frost1x 6y ago
    I suspect if I were TikTok, I could keep track of the skits you watch and start directing similar skits with subtle political messages towards you in their place. If I were really nefarious, I might be able to professionally produce skits that look amature that are essentially well designed propoganda. I've never used the app but I'm sure they also request location information and a lot of people agree, so I can make a reasonable guess for most people where their home location and corresponding voting districts are. Also, over time, the type of media delivered may subtly shift anyways. When I started using Facebook, it required a .edu domain to register and focused on listing your courses, finding peers in your courses, campus events, and so forth. Now, it looks absolutely nothing like that, yet I still have a Facebook account (which I rarely check but thats another story, many of my peers appear to still actively use it). For now it's a bunch of silly videos, maybe it won't always be that way. You may be lured into a platform, grow accustomed to it and the convenience of a user base, then slowly go along for the ride as the platform shifts direction. Perhaps you may be vigilant of this (the reason I stopped using Facebook many years ago), however, a large portion of people may not. Now, whoever manages TikTok has a direct route of information to a wide group of people providing they don't upset them or a competitor doesn't lure them away.
    - nickthegreek 6y ago
      What young pretty American is making that subtle political content that china will start to slowly move me towards? I gotta be honest, the potential for abuse so much less than facebook as it is a video medium. Their best attack vector is to use that information outside of tiktok by trying to target ads on other American owned platforms like Facebook, Instagram or Google.
    - chvid 6y ago
      Pantomime to Trump speeches is thing on TikTok. This one went viral outside the app: https://www.tiktok.com/@whatchugotforme/video/6819061413877763334 https://www.tiktok.com/@whatchugotforme/video/68190614138777... Other than that apparently TikTok'ers were behind the small show up at the last Trump rally - though I don't quite understand that one. Anyway. Compared to Twitter, Facebook or Reddit, the levels of politics on TikTok is tiny and done in a much less agressive way.
  - dfxm12 6y ago
    The data about you it mines from your phone. I think this is the most recent security hole detected: https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/06/26/warning-apple-suddenly-catches-tiktok-secretly-spying-on-millions-of-iphone-users/#797845db34ef https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/06/26/warning-a...
- malux85 6y ago
  Well, that's a load off my mind
rvz 6y ago
Sure, but good luck if you are in Hong Kong given that your innocent 'cat videos' are being surveilled for any criticism's to the CCP, which will get you arrested or thrown in jail. Why do you think TikTok was withdrawing from Hong Kong after the security law was passed? In the UK or in the US, I can criticise the government on Facebook without them throwing me in jail. If I were in Hong Kong and did the same thing to the CCP on the other hand...
- gowld 6y ago
  TikTok is run by a Chinese company in Shanghai. They weren't in HK for safety.
AzzieElbab 6y ago
What would keep FB from buying your cat videos from TikTok?

Lol. The only thing I want less than China spying on the cat videos I watch is Zuck spying on them, and reselling it to a 3rd party to hack my voting decisions....

jkinudsjknds 6y ago

The means by which facebook would alter your voting decisions would be by showing you targeted content that it wants to use to sway your opinion, or by letting advertisers do that for money. Why would you expect a Chinese government associated entity to not do the same, given they have a general, vague vested interest in discord among foreign nations?

ciarannolan 6y ago

Sure, but in the case of TikTok, there's one less intermediary in the chain trying to hack your voting decisions.

nickthegreek 6y ago
Are people using the same TikTok that I am? There is currently a single skippable ad when I open the app (that appears maybe 75% of the time). Other than that, its a bunch of people under the age of 35 doing skits.. What am I supposed to be worried about when it comes to election engineering here?
- Frost1x 6y ago
  I suspect if I were TikTok, I could keep track of the skits you watch and start directing similar skits with subtle political messages towards you in their place. If I were really nefarious, I might be able to professionally produce skits that look amature that are essentially well designed propoganda. I've never used the app but I'm sure they also request location information and a lot of people agree, so I can make a reasonable guess for most people where their home location and corresponding voting districts are. Also, over time, the type of media delivered may subtly shift anyways. When I started using Facebook, it required a .edu domain to register and focused on listing your courses, finding peers in your courses, campus events, and so forth. Now, it looks absolutely nothing like that, yet I still have a Facebook account (which I rarely check but thats another story, many of my peers appear to still actively use it). For now it's a bunch of silly videos, maybe it won't always be that way. You may be lured into a platform, grow accustomed to it and the convenience of a user base, then slowly go along for the ride as the platform shifts direction. Perhaps you may be vigilant of this (the reason I stopped using Facebook many years ago), however, a large portion of people may not. Now, whoever manages TikTok has a direct route of information to a wide group of people providing they don't upset them or a competitor doesn't lure them away.
  - nickthegreek 6y ago
    What young pretty American is making that subtle political content that china will start to slowly move me towards? I gotta be honest, the potential for abuse so much less than facebook as it is a video medium. Their best attack vector is to use that information outside of tiktok by trying to target ads on other American owned platforms like Facebook, Instagram or Google.
  - chvid 6y ago
    Pantomime to Trump speeches is thing on TikTok. This one went viral outside the app: https://www.tiktok.com/@whatchugotforme/video/6819061413877763334 https://www.tiktok.com/@whatchugotforme/video/68190614138777... Other than that apparently TikTok'ers were behind the small show up at the last Trump rally - though I don't quite understand that one. Anyway. Compared to Twitter, Facebook or Reddit, the levels of politics on TikTok is tiny and done in a much less agressive way.
- dfxm12 6y ago
  The data about you it mines from your phone. I think this is the most recent security hole detected: https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/06/26/warning-apple-suddenly-catches-tiktok-secretly-spying-on-millions-of-iphone-users/#797845db34ef https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/06/26/warning-a...
malux85 6y ago
Well, that's a load off my mind

rvz 6y ago

Sure, but good luck if you are in Hong Kong given that your innocent 'cat videos' are being surveilled for any criticism's to the CCP, which will get you arrested or thrown in jail. Why do you think TikTok was withdrawing from Hong Kong after the security law was passed? In the UK or in the US, I can criticise the government on Facebook without them throwing me in jail. If I were in Hong Kong and did the same thing to the CCP on the other hand...

gowld 6y ago
TikTok is run by a Chinese company in Shanghai. They weren't in HK for safety.

AzzieElbab 6y ago

What would keep FB from buying your cat videos from TikTok?