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It's not black and white and this is a common attack on the press - without which this nation would fall. The media can be more, or less objective. It can be m

It's not black and white and this is a common attack on the press - without which this nation would fall. The media can be more, or less objective. It can be more, or less impartial. Each source can have bias, more, or less. The problem becomes when sources centralize around political ideas and competition decreases. What was once nationwide respected newspapers and 1 hour evening news, became 3 major 24/7 news-channels, decimated newspaper industry controlled by conglomerates, and social media being gamed by everyone squeezing dollars out of an uneducated populace. I genuinely challenge people on here to read old newspapers and look at the difference in reporting. There were far more newspapers - every major city had one. The nightly news didn't have time to have a "panel" of "experts" discuss how "issue x will destroy america." And instead of addressing the real issue - the money behind politics (i.e. citizens united, coinciding with social media), you say it's "inherent to media." No it is not. media needs to be free and it needs to be decentralized. And no, it does not need to be perfect.

godelzilla 6y ago
Old newspapers? Like segregation era? Super objective times.
- doctorOb 6y ago
  Or, more charitably, the 90s?
  - watwut 6y ago
    This is one journalist using 1996 is example of biased reporting https://twitter.com/RottenInDenmark/status/1280862103297875969 https://twitter.com/RottenInDenmark/status/12808621032978759...
    - koheripbal 6y ago
      An anecdote is not evidence of anything.
      - watwut 6y ago
        The claim "it was objectively more objective" is not evidence either.
        ntsplnkv2 6y ago
        There are periods of more objectivity and less objectivity - not all times in the past were objective, and some were more so. No one has claimed above - a most convenient strawman.
    - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
      Biased reporting has always existed - again, no one is claiming utopia without bias. The idea is to have enough trustworthy sources for different points of view, arguing in good faith, for certain positions. Now biased reporting comes from a few sources - the polarization is evidence of this.
      - watwut 6y ago
        But my example was precisely about lack of differing opinions. The issue there was consensus in media, that made it look like there is clear agreement of experts about something where it was not the case.
      - Nasrudith 6y ago
        The funny thing is that newspapers often started that way in the US. The reason you would often see the <Town/City Name> Democratic/Republician Gazzette newspapers? Because the ones who could afford to publish small town news were political parties. They did wear their motives explicitly and the eras were hella corrupt but it has precedent.
- koheripbal 6y ago
  1980s
doctorOb 6y ago
> a "panel" of "experts" discuss how "issue x will destroy america." My friend who worked in news regarded this as the first incarnation of "fake news".
ameister14 6y ago
"the press" does not mean all news organizations and does not mean news organizations of a particular type. It's interesting to see people talk about the necessity of the press as it currently exists to the continuing success of the nation as a whole. While I agree that a free press is needed, I'm not certain it has to be this model. Further, it seems to me that the press that you and others believe we cannot function without is really a method for disseminating a centralized ideology and set of beliefs that, true or not, allow the majority of the country to continue in a unified direction. I don't believe that is necessary for the nation to continue, but I could be wrong there.
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  I don't think our current media is the correct model - it is much worse than in year's past. > Further, it seems to me that the press that you and others believe we cannot function without is really a method for disseminating a centralized ideology and set of beliefs that, true or not, allow the majority of the country to continue in a unified direction. I don't believe that is necessary for the nation to continue, but I could be wrong there. Historically there are two sources of tyranny - authoritarian rule, and the rule of the mob. I am specifically against centralization as I already said - this would lead to tyranny of authority in most cases. The other is the mob - as we've seen from doxxing witchhunts online, cancel culture, etc. This is simply tyranny represented differently. The idea that social media can replace journalism has been markedly disproved since the rise of social media. Function is the wrong term - I'm sure something will function, like a broken clock functions - it still runs, but does it tell the right time?

godelzilla 6y ago

Old newspapers? Like segregation era? Super objective times.

doctorOb 6y ago
Or, more charitably, the 90s?
- watwut 6y ago
  This is one journalist using 1996 is example of biased reporting https://twitter.com/RottenInDenmark/status/1280862103297875969 https://twitter.com/RottenInDenmark/status/12808621032978759...
  - koheripbal 6y ago
    An anecdote is not evidence of anything.
    - watwut 6y ago
      The claim "it was objectively more objective" is not evidence either.
      - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
        There are periods of more objectivity and less objectivity - not all times in the past were objective, and some were more so. No one has claimed above - a most convenient strawman.
  - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
    Biased reporting has always existed - again, no one is claiming utopia without bias. The idea is to have enough trustworthy sources for different points of view, arguing in good faith, for certain positions. Now biased reporting comes from a few sources - the polarization is evidence of this.
    - watwut 6y ago
      But my example was precisely about lack of differing opinions. The issue there was consensus in media, that made it look like there is clear agreement of experts about something where it was not the case.
    - Nasrudith 6y ago
      The funny thing is that newspapers often started that way in the US. The reason you would often see the <Town/City Name> Democratic/Republician Gazzette newspapers? Because the ones who could afford to publish small town news were political parties. They did wear their motives explicitly and the eras were hella corrupt but it has precedent.
koheripbal 6y ago
1980s

doctorOb 6y ago

> a "panel" of "experts" discuss how "issue x will destroy america." My friend who worked in news regarded this as the first incarnation of "fake news".

ameister14 6y ago

"the press" does not mean all news organizations and does not mean news organizations of a particular type. It's interesting to see people talk about the necessity of the press as it currently exists to the continuing success of the nation as a whole. While I agree that a free press is needed, I'm not certain it has to be this model. Further, it seems to me that the press that you and others believe we cannot function without is really a method for disseminating a centralized ideology and set of beliefs that, true or not, allow the majority of the country to continue in a unified direction. I don't believe that is necessary for the nation to continue, but I could be wrong there.

ntsplnkv2 6y ago
I don't think our current media is the correct model - it is much worse than in year's past. > Further, it seems to me that the press that you and others believe we cannot function without is really a method for disseminating a centralized ideology and set of beliefs that, true or not, allow the majority of the country to continue in a unified direction. I don't believe that is necessary for the nation to continue, but I could be wrong there. Historically there are two sources of tyranny - authoritarian rule, and the rule of the mob. I am specifically against centralization as I already said - this would lead to tyranny of authority in most cases. The other is the mob - as we've seen from doxxing witchhunts online, cancel culture, etc. This is simply tyranny represented differently. The idea that social media can replace journalism has been markedly disproved since the rise of social media. Function is the wrong term - I'm sure something will function, like a broken clock functions - it still runs, but does it tell the right time?