3 ms·

>White is a cultural definition in the US which used to be legally defined and still carries cultural implications. Right, but this was a bad time. We should b

>White is a cultural definition in the US which used to be legally defined and still carries cultural implications. Right, but this was a bad time. We should be moving on from this. The infographic apparently does the opposite: reinvigorates, and then accidentally claims that white traits are mostly superior. I know you're going to claim that there are not value judgements in the info graphic, but the opposite of hard work, individualism, and the scientific method are in fact bad things. (And, even if you're non-white, the Greco-Roman heritage is in fact a large part of how the American system of government came to be. I'm trying to be constructive because we're on hn, but I have to say I'm absolutely disgusted by the modern tendency to reduce everything to race. The color of someone's skin is not important, and people of the same skin color don't all share the same values. More importantly, racial groups cannot "own" values such as hard work, and formal logic. "White" is not a cultural concept. People on the new left are trying to make it a cultural concept, and it's backwards and racist.

rovolo 6y ago
> We should be moving on from this. … I'm absolutely disgusted by the modern tendency to reduce everything to race. The color of someone's skin is not important … "White" is not a cultural concept. You can't discuss racism without discussing race and skin color. I'm trying to think of why you wouldn't think talking about race would be helpful, and this is what I came up with: race isn't a problem in modern America; discussing race causes racism; or examining race & racism creates racial differences. > but the opposite of hard work, individualism, and the scientific method are in fact bad things. These are good traits, but their "opposites" aren't inherently bad. - Hard work is the key to success; "work smarter not harder" - The individual is the primary unit; cooperation and mutual assistance. - Scientific Method: "Quantitative Emphasis"; qualitative readings of personal narratives such as interviews. > accidentally claims that white traits are mostly superior This is addressed in the webpage, and is the entire point of the graphic. "Racism is perpetuated by deeming whiteness as superior and other racial and ethnic groups as inferior. … [The superior traits] describes the experience and attitudes of those who are members of the dominant, privileged, or powerful identity groups." The infographic is asking you to examine why you think these traits are superior. That doesn't mean they're inferior, but they aren't the best in every situation either.
- everdrive 6y ago
  It tells us that the distinctive characteristics of “whiteness” and “white culture” include: Hard work “Delayed gratification” Planning for the future The “nuclear family” Rational thinking Promptness Politeness “Decision-making” Personal responsibility Speaking standard English It's a racist document, and its supporters, no matter how well intending, are racist.

rovolo 6y ago

> We should be moving on from this. … I'm absolutely disgusted by the modern tendency to reduce everything to race. The color of someone's skin is not important … "White" is not a cultural concept. You can't discuss racism without discussing race and skin color. I'm trying to think of why you wouldn't think talking about race would be helpful, and this is what I came up with: race isn't a problem in modern America; discussing race causes racism; or examining race & racism creates racial differences. > but the opposite of hard work, individualism, and the scientific method are in fact bad things. These are good traits, but their "opposites" aren't inherently bad. - Hard work is the key to success; "work smarter not harder" - The individual is the primary unit; cooperation and mutual assistance. - Scientific Method: "Quantitative Emphasis"; qualitative readings of personal narratives such as interviews. > accidentally claims that white traits are mostly superior This is addressed in the webpage, and is the entire point of the graphic. "Racism is perpetuated by deeming whiteness as superior and other racial and ethnic groups as inferior. … [The superior traits] describes the experience and attitudes of those who are members of the dominant, privileged, or powerful identity groups." The infographic is asking you to examine why you think these traits are superior. That doesn't mean they're inferior, but they aren't the best in every situation either.

everdrive 6y ago
It tells us that the distinctive characteristics of “whiteness” and “white culture” include: Hard work “Delayed gratification” Planning for the future The “nuclear family” Rational thinking Promptness Politeness “Decision-making” Personal responsibility Speaking standard English It's a racist document, and its supporters, no matter how well intending, are racist.