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I think that you are kidding yourself. US has a massive surveillance/spying program of EU citizen data, as demonstrated by the different leaks, this is not spec

I think that you are kidding yourself. US has a massive surveillance/spying program of EU citizen data, as demonstrated by the different leaks, this is not speculation but hard facts. US judiciary system with secret courts and gag order is a joke from a European point of view (Justice is rendered in the name of the people not secretly). Surveillance by EU spying agency can really rely on EU court to make them stop (and yes having worked for legal interception system in Europe, people really take into account judiciary decision), and ISP are fighting back without the threat of gag order. BTW, I have to guess that your logic doesn't apply when the US refuse its data to go to China. Are you also saying that this is also pure US protectionism in disguise?

AmericanChopper 6y ago
All the EU states have mass surveillance programs too. EU member states do very little to regulate dragnet surveillance, and processes around targeted surveillance are mostly equivalent to the US processes. Do you really think the target of an EU counter terrorism investigation is going to be notified that somebody is seeking a warrant to spy on them? Or do you think that would all be handled be secret processes and secret court orders? > BTW, I have to guess that your logic doesn't apply when the US refuse its data to go to China. This is the more hilarious aspect of this. EU and US intelligence agencies share huge amounts of information. If an EU citizen is spied on by say, France. Not only are they not going to know it’s happening, not only is there essentially nothing they can do about it, but the French government are more than happy to share anything they find with the NSA [0]. If the EU actually had a legitimate concern about US intelligence gaining access to EU citizen data, then these intelligence sharing arrangements would be illegal. This ruling doesn’t prevent US agencies from spying on EU citizens. The only thing it achieves is forcing US companies to do more business in the EU. [0]: https://theintercept.com/2018/03/01/nsa-global-surveillance-sigint-seniors/ https://theintercept.com/2018/03/01/nsa-global-surveillance-...

AmericanChopper 6y ago

All the EU states have mass surveillance programs too. EU member states do very little to regulate dragnet surveillance, and processes around targeted surveillance are mostly equivalent to the US processes. Do you really think the target of an EU counter terrorism investigation is going to be notified that somebody is seeking a warrant to spy on them? Or do you think that would all be handled be secret processes and secret court orders? > BTW, I have to guess that your logic doesn't apply when the US refuse its data to go to China. This is the more hilarious aspect of this. EU and US intelligence agencies share huge amounts of information. If an EU citizen is spied on by say, France. Not only are they not going to know it’s happening, not only is there essentially nothing they can do about it, but the French government are more than happy to share anything they find with the NSA [0]. If the EU actually had a legitimate concern about US intelligence gaining access to EU citizen data, then these intelligence sharing arrangements would be illegal. This ruling doesn’t prevent US agencies from spying on EU citizens. The only thing it achieves is forcing US companies to do more business in the EU. [0]: https://theintercept.com/2018/03/01/nsa-global-surveillance-sigint-seniors/ https://theintercept.com/2018/03/01/nsa-global-surveillance-...