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Nobody in the US government is going to scream in rage over the violation of your privacy. The last person who came close is hiding in Russia.

by 34679 6y ago

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StavrosK 6y ago
> Nobody in the US government is going to scream in rage over the violation of your privacy. by the US government. Plenty of people are screaming in rage about China, for example.
- simion314 6y ago
  That is not even close related with privacy or human rights and more about geo-politics.
  - tobessebot 6y ago
    US-EU data agreements are also about geopolitics.
    - simion314 6y ago
      Maybe, but there was some agreement and one party is not respecting it, so let's say is not nice not to respect your contracts. Star Trek fans are probably reminded by this rule of acquisitions; "A contract is a contract is a contract… but only between Ferengi."
      - normalnorm 6y ago
        The EU is not some weird hive-mind, it has separation of powers just like the US. It is the European Court of Justice's job to overturn executive decisions that trample on the constitutional rights of its citizens, same as the Supreme Court in the US.
        simion314 6y ago
        I am not sure how your comment related to mine, maybe I was not clar, EU and US had a contract, US is not respecting it and this judges looked at teh facts and said, yeah the contract is invalid so you can't store private data in US using this contract as a base, find something else. And now US citizens from HN spin this as protectionism or over regulation and just ignore that there was a such a contract and it was not respected, it would make sense then that US guys won't complain if someone else would do the same, but you notice if an app related to China is only suspected of doing something like that the mob demands it getting banned if an US entity has the power to just search and read anyone's private stuff that is not from US then is fine. I mean US could pretend they won't spy , and then work a bit harder to get the data they need instead of having 100% full access to everything.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Sadly in this world human rights are almost always a question of geopolitics. It's the only explanation for why we only seem to really care about human rights when they happen to coincidentally align with our geopolitical goals.
    - im3w1l 6y ago
      What are the geopolitical consequences of black lives matter?
      - sudosysgen 6y ago
        Human rights within one's own country are one thing. Caring about human rights in another country is essentially nothing but geopolitics. That said, there are geopolitical consequences of Black Lives Matter that are fairly obvious, as far as who comes to power in the US.
dang 6y ago
(We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23857574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23857574)

Nobody in the US government is going to scream in rage over the violation of your privacy. The last person who came close is hiding in Russia.

by 34679 6y ago

Nobody in the US government is going to scream in rage over the violation of your privacy. The last person who came close is hiding in Russia.

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StavrosK 6y ago

> Nobody in the US government is going to scream in rage over the violation of your privacy. by the US government. Plenty of people are screaming in rage about China, for example.

simion314 6y ago
That is not even close related with privacy or human rights and more about geo-politics.
- tobessebot 6y ago
  US-EU data agreements are also about geopolitics.
  - simion314 6y ago
    Maybe, but there was some agreement and one party is not respecting it, so let's say is not nice not to respect your contracts. Star Trek fans are probably reminded by this rule of acquisitions; "A contract is a contract is a contract… but only between Ferengi."
    - normalnorm 6y ago
      The EU is not some weird hive-mind, it has separation of powers just like the US. It is the European Court of Justice's job to overturn executive decisions that trample on the constitutional rights of its citizens, same as the Supreme Court in the US.
      - simion314 6y ago
        I am not sure how your comment related to mine, maybe I was not clar, EU and US had a contract, US is not respecting it and this judges looked at teh facts and said, yeah the contract is invalid so you can't store private data in US using this contract as a base, find something else. And now US citizens from HN spin this as protectionism or over regulation and just ignore that there was a such a contract and it was not respected, it would make sense then that US guys won't complain if someone else would do the same, but you notice if an app related to China is only suspected of doing something like that the mob demands it getting banned if an US entity has the power to just search and read anyone's private stuff that is not from US then is fine. I mean US could pretend they won't spy , and then work a bit harder to get the data they need instead of having 100% full access to everything.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  Sadly in this world human rights are almost always a question of geopolitics. It's the only explanation for why we only seem to really care about human rights when they happen to coincidentally align with our geopolitical goals.
  - im3w1l 6y ago
    What are the geopolitical consequences of black lives matter?
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      Human rights within one's own country are one thing. Caring about human rights in another country is essentially nothing but geopolitics. That said, there are geopolitical consequences of Black Lives Matter that are fairly obvious, as far as who comes to power in the US.

dang 6y ago

(We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23857574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23857574)