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An Internet with no personal data is a far cry from useless.

perpetualpatzer 6y ago
But surely, you'd concede it's far less useful. No international email, social media. No access to foreign websites: IP addresses are personal data [0]. Possibly, service delivery is feasible if you set up a warehouse in both locations to freight forward, but any vendor without the means to operate in each country. While I expect my EU pals will say "but of course we will never apply the law that way," if this was the intent of the legislation, the legislation looks an awful lot like a nationalist tariff. [0]https://www.alstonprivacy.com/ecj-declares-ip-addresses-personal-data/?cn-reloaded=1 https://www.alstonprivacy.com/ecj-declares-ip-addresses-pers...
- danarmak 6y ago
  > No access to foreign websites: IP addresses are personal data The OP talks about not storing personal data, which would mean e.g. not keeping logs of client IP addresses; that does not forbid the Internet. I agree that a law that literally says or is interpreted to say that my IP address must not cross international borders, forbids the international Internet. But there is no such law. It's possible to put together an argument to interpret laws in an undesirable or unexpected way. That's what lawyers are for. We have to have some measure of confidence in court rulings, that's part of the system, law interpretation is always being challenged. > No international email, social media. To the best of my understanding, the GDPR allows people to opt-in to send personal data. If I send an email to someone in the US, I deliberately share e.g. my name with them; that's legal. If I send an email to someone in Europe, and my and their email providers are companies operating in Europe, they should not transmit or store the email through US servers. That's not impossible. At least that's my understanding. The problem with social networks is legitimate, and a real problem, but it's vastly smaller than "the Internet".

But surely, you'd concede it's far less useful. No international email, social media. No access to foreign websites: IP addresses are personal data [0]. Possibly, service delivery is feasible if you set up a warehouse in both locations to freight forward, but any vendor without the means to operate in each country. While I expect my EU pals will say "but of course we will never apply the law that way," if this was the intent of the legislation, the legislation looks an awful lot like a nationalist tariff. [0]https://www.alstonprivacy.com/ecj-declares-ip-addresses-personal-data/?cn-reloaded=1 https://www.alstonprivacy.com/ecj-declares-ip-addresses-pers...

danarmak 6y ago
> No access to foreign websites: IP addresses are personal data The OP talks about not storing personal data, which would mean e.g. not keeping logs of client IP addresses; that does not forbid the Internet. I agree that a law that literally says or is interpreted to say that my IP address must not cross international borders, forbids the international Internet. But there is no such law. It's possible to put together an argument to interpret laws in an undesirable or unexpected way. That's what lawyers are for. We have to have some measure of confidence in court rulings, that's part of the system, law interpretation is always being challenged. > No international email, social media. To the best of my understanding, the GDPR allows people to opt-in to send personal data. If I send an email to someone in the US, I deliberately share e.g. my name with them; that's legal. If I send an email to someone in Europe, and my and their email providers are companies operating in Europe, they should not transmit or store the email through US servers. That's not impossible. At least that's my understanding. The problem with social networks is legitimate, and a real problem, but it's vastly smaller than "the Internet".