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Someone who opts-in to #3 is not necessarily desperate. In fact, to the contrary, they likely also want an opportunity to feel the company out and be more conf

by six0six 16y ago

Someone who opts-in to #3 is not necessarily desperate. In fact, to the contrary, they likely also want an opportunity to feel the company out and be more confident in their choice to stay/leave at the end of 3mo.

btmorex 16y ago
There's nothing preventing them from quitting after 3 months with a normal offer.
- shangaslammi 16y ago
  Depends on the contract. Over here (Finland) it's very common to have a three months "trial period", during which both the employer and employee are free to terminate the contract at (practically) any point and for any reason. However, after that three months, you need to give a one month advance notice to quit and firing someone becomes more complicated too.
  - damncabbage 16y ago
    Same here in Australia; I'm about to start a trial period of a few months with a single week's notice for termination from either side. (Every job I've held has had this in some form or other. I'd wager it's common in countries with termination rules that aren't quite so, uh, "at will" as the US'.)
ootachi 16y ago
That "opportunity" is not worth having no company-provided health insurance, nor is it worth paying both halves of the FICA tax, except for the desperate.
- staunch 16y ago
  Because it's impossible to pay someone at a higher hourly rate than they would be paid as a full-time employee?
  - tptacek 16y ago
    It's not the easiest thing in the world to explain, no, which is why I bet most people who do the temp-to-perm thing don't bother, and just pay the contractor according to their yearly salary. After all, if they don't know enough not to take the term-to-perm offer, why complicate things? ;)
    - staunch 16y ago
      That may be. I have no interest in what other companies do, really. I'm happy to pay higher hourly during the contract to compensate for the lack of benefits. I'm happy to pay a (naive) employee more than they asked for because I know what the position is worth and have no interest in tricking them. This isn't generosity, it's just good long-term business IMHO.
- elai 16y ago
  How about a W-2 contractor with benefits?

by six0six 16y ago

btmorex 16y ago

There's nothing preventing them from quitting after 3 months with a normal offer.

shangaslammi 16y ago
Depends on the contract. Over here (Finland) it's very common to have a three months "trial period", during which both the employer and employee are free to terminate the contract at (practically) any point and for any reason. However, after that three months, you need to give a one month advance notice to quit and firing someone becomes more complicated too.
- damncabbage 16y ago
  Same here in Australia; I'm about to start a trial period of a few months with a single week's notice for termination from either side. (Every job I've held has had this in some form or other. I'd wager it's common in countries with termination rules that aren't quite so, uh, "at will" as the US'.)

ootachi 16y ago

That "opportunity" is not worth having no company-provided health insurance, nor is it worth paying both halves of the FICA tax, except for the desperate.

staunch 16y ago
Because it's impossible to pay someone at a higher hourly rate than they would be paid as a full-time employee?
- tptacek 16y ago
  It's not the easiest thing in the world to explain, no, which is why I bet most people who do the temp-to-perm thing don't bother, and just pay the contractor according to their yearly salary. After all, if they don't know enough not to take the term-to-perm offer, why complicate things? ;)
  - staunch 16y ago
    That may be. I have no interest in what other companies do, really. I'm happy to pay higher hourly during the contract to compensate for the lack of benefits. I'm happy to pay a (naive) employee more than they asked for because I know what the position is worth and have no interest in tricking them. This isn't generosity, it's just good long-term business IMHO.
elai 16y ago
How about a W-2 contractor with benefits?