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I wonder how Pine64 is going to handle the new HongKong situation, it dissolved its company in California[1] last year due to 'Legal Mafia' and re-established i

I wonder how Pine64 is going to handle the new HongKong situation, it dissolved its company in California[1] last year due to 'Legal Mafia' and re-established it in HongKong. The website claims to operate under China & Malaysia laws[2]. Irrespective of HongKong situation, it was already tough to receive pre-built smartphone shipped from China in India without paying extraordinary import taxes; Now due to China goods blockade there's no way I'll be able to receive this PinePhone and I'm very sad for it. I hope Pine64 starts shipping from their Malaysia front(Which seems to be office of their Chinese manufacturer - Syabas Technology[3]). I really want these pure Linux phones to succeed, I'm tired of this duopoly in the smartphone ecosystem as a consumer, developer and as an entrepreneur. [1]https://www.reddit.com/r/PINE64official/comments/g8dqx9/pine_microsystems_inc_in_california_is_dissolved/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PINE64official/comments/g8dqx9/pine... [2]https://store.pine64.org/terms-of-use/ https://store.pine64.org/terms-of-use/ [3]https://www.reddit.com/r/PINE64official/comments/gbliyw/some_questions_about_pine64_hardware_in_general/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PINE64official/comments/gbliyw/some...

pivic 6y ago
Personally speaking, I received a Pinebook Pro a couple of days ago and I live in Sweden. I didn't pay a penny in customs/taxes and the delivery of the computer was 100% on time. Obviously shipping locations and times are delayed at times, as mentioned in their big update yesterday - https://www.pine64.org/2020/07/15/july-updatepmos-ce-pre-orders-and-new-pinephone-version/ https://www.pine64.org/2020/07/15/july-updatepmos-ce-pre-ord... - mentions improvements on shipping to the EU, and also impossibilities in shipping to certain countries.
- Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
  I feel good for you albeit bit jealous; Scandinavian region seems to be the best place to live as far as current world affairs/Geopolitical tensions/Pandemic is concerned.
  - _nalply 6y ago
    Except maybe Sweden re pandemic.
    - anoncake 6y ago
      Deaths have flatlined.
      - bmn__ 6y ago
        Meanwhile, in the reality: https://covid.observer/se/#per-capita https://covid.observer/se/#per-capita Still growing by 2.9‰ (current 10 day average).
        anoncake 6y ago
        Thanks, looks like there was something wrong with the data I had.
      - _nalply 6y ago
        No. The numbers of new deaths are sinking, but they do, too, in the US and in many different countries, but not in Serbia, for example.
- megous 6y ago
  That's probaly not relevant to many EU customers though. VAT is required on import of goods above 22 EUR (incl. shipping costs) in most places, and things are also going to change soon: https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/modernising-vat-cross-border-ecommerce_en https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/modernisi... Also declaring customs is not free. If you used DHL, they'll charge you ~22 EUR extra just for the privilege of them forwarding some info to customs.

pivic 6y ago

Personally speaking, I received a Pinebook Pro a couple of days ago and I live in Sweden. I didn't pay a penny in customs/taxes and the delivery of the computer was 100% on time. Obviously shipping locations and times are delayed at times, as mentioned in their big update yesterday - https://www.pine64.org/2020/07/15/july-updatepmos-ce-pre-orders-and-new-pinephone-version/ https://www.pine64.org/2020/07/15/july-updatepmos-ce-pre-ord... - mentions improvements on shipping to the EU, and also impossibilities in shipping to certain countries.

Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
I feel good for you albeit bit jealous; Scandinavian region seems to be the best place to live as far as current world affairs/Geopolitical tensions/Pandemic is concerned.
- _nalply 6y ago
  Except maybe Sweden re pandemic.
  - anoncake 6y ago
    Deaths have flatlined.
    - bmn__ 6y ago
      Meanwhile, in the reality: https://covid.observer/se/#per-capita https://covid.observer/se/#per-capita Still growing by 2.9‰ (current 10 day average).
      - anoncake 6y ago
        Thanks, looks like there was something wrong with the data I had.
    - _nalply 6y ago
      No. The numbers of new deaths are sinking, but they do, too, in the US and in many different countries, but not in Serbia, for example.
megous 6y ago
That's probaly not relevant to many EU customers though. VAT is required on import of goods above 22 EUR (incl. shipping costs) in most places, and things are also going to change soon: https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/modernising-vat-cross-border-ecommerce_en https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/modernisi... Also declaring customs is not free. If you used DHL, they'll charge you ~22 EUR extra just for the privilege of them forwarding some info to customs.